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Re: Re: Public Message from Airwave

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Originally posted by trancaholic If noney is the only reason why he would record an album he shouldn't bother in the first place

Can I add something? Anyone who is makeing music now in the first place should expect it to be on MP3 within the first hour its released. And its true, Anyone who is makeing money for music has no buisness doing it at all, Unless your a bum on the corner playing a ukalely begging for change

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Originally posted by breakaholic tracklisting for Believe: 3. Save me 4. Another dimension 6. Above the sky 2002 7. Alone in the dark 8. Innerspace 11. Sunspot Not even half of these tracks can be found so it sounds weird if these already are downloadable on several servers....

L-Vee...

Save Me has been spinning for over a year (Judge Jules @ Qontact 2001)...Several other tracks on here have been spinning lately, and Sunspot is on the upcoming AVB 004 compilation. How can you complain that people have already heard these tracks ??

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Originally posted by breakaholic tracklisting for Believe: 1. I want to believe (Dolphin mix) 2. Musings of a lifetime 3. Save me 4. Another dimension 5. Devotion 6. Above the sky 2002 7. Alone in the dark 8. Innerspace 9. Ladyblue 10.Theft of the spirit 11.Sunspot (Don't cry my love mix) 12.Trust no One

Is the title of track #12 a coincidence or what???

i can't believe some of the stuff thats being said about laurent veronnez.

i can he's a twat. this is a SCAM. he just doing this to get publicity so people will go and get his album and/or he might make poeple feel guilty to getting his album. either way, i think its a scam. stupid...S*dhs9d0*(D*)�U_(UIIR

im just pissed b/c i dont have a f'n computer

Its very sad that you couldn't understand L-Vee's point.

He is an artist and putting his soul in his music and you dont even get that he is considering not to release his album!!!!

I sent him an E-mail with the URL of this topic and i hope he will respond ASAP.


P.S: if a solution to the piracy over the NET won't be found quickly trance music will stop existing.
L-Vee relly dont get so much money from his records he is not a rich person, he just happand to love electronic music so much that he dont carwe to spend most of his life in the studio....

I wouldn't even know who airwave is if it wasn't for mp3s

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Originally posted by Vman I sent him an E-mail with the URL of this topic and i hope he will respond ASAP.

Really a smart move buddy. Would you like TA to be closed?

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Originally posted by trancaholic Really a smart move buddy. Would you like TA to be closed?

There is no connection...
Plastic Angel writes here and i know some producers who like to read here sometime.

I just relly would like him to register and respond about what you all said about him.

i kind of feel sorry for airwave. they guy dedicated his whole life to produce unbelievable music and he aint gettin the dough he deserves because of leechers like me. but i dont have decks so what else can i do. oh yeah buy cd maxis and shit but i never bother. dunno. maybe cuz im a cheap fuck

airwave has made some of my most favorite tracks ever, so im not going to start slagging him off or anything, just gonna make a point of saying maybe he should have been more careful with the tracks if he didnt want anyone to hear them before the album is released..

its not as if they are vinyl rips, they are just liveset rips, if he's gonna moan about that then i think he is being a bit petty, and should wake up and smell the coffee.. ppl will buy his album/singles off the album, because who wants a shitty liveset rip when u can get vinyl rips?

i think a lot of artists just havent a clue about mp3's, and how if it wasnt for mp3's trance wouldnt be anywhere near as big as it is. i would say trance/general electronica is by far the most popular music on the net, and mp3 has had a lot to do with that. mp3's shouldnt be veiwed as an obstacle, it should be veiwed as an ally. it could mean ppl dl ur tracks, and think 'fuck me i need that tune on vinyl' or sumthin, when before u might not have even heard about the track!

just to add... to those ppl who are flaming airwave for wanting some money... u cant make music for free, he needs at least some money to pay the label back the money that was advanced to him for the album. plus its nice to be able to feed urself at the end of the day

is it a crime for a trance producer to get a wage..?

thanks tu_face.

here here or is it hear hear? lol.

i buy stuff that i download. i support the need for artists to make money because they are contributing to the world in ways far richer than money making organizations. i would rather give my money directly to the artist... i have a feeling it is the labels that are making the money...

well all things have thier place and i sympathize with airwave... i would be the same. but dont fatigue... you can mix like only you can and for that you should create ur personal take on these tracks.

cheers and atb, jc

asd

sad to read that he's so affected by this.

50% of the songs are old, and available on the net, and have been that for ages. (he should know about this, or else he is stupid imo...)

i dont think this is reason enough for making a public statement as he did, because as tu_face and others have mentioned before me, electronic music wouldn't have been even close to where it is today without mp3.

normally everthing starts with mp3's these days, and then it developes to addiction, and you reach the point where you actually do want to support the producers and buy their stuff (vinyls/cds/etc).
not everybody is feeling it this way or reaching this point, but im sure many are..

im 100% sure on that i wouldnt even have known about 3/4 of the dj's/producers i know of today if it wasnt for mp3's, and im not probably the only one.

greetz

i think in this world of fame and fortune people are forgetting one thing.. music is meant to be enjoyed.

if someone is dissapointed at the fact their are people listening to their music and thinking they are not profiting as much as they could be then i find that sad.

on the other hand.. if the guy wanted to launch his album fresh onto the shelves so to speak and everyone had already heard all the tunes months before the release, of course he has reason not to be happy.


on a sidenote.. if it wern't for mp3s and the internet i would have had no way of hearing all the great trance out there!.

fuck all this bashing of l-vee, how would any of you guys feel if that is what you do for a living to pay for all your shit, and everyone just gets it for free, you wouldnt make as much as you could have. you guys are thinking of it from your perspective, and when any situation happens, you have to look at it from both sides, sure you are getting free music, but you look at the producer, who got fucked over because many people are too cheap to buy cds, or vinyls, vinyls i kind of understand cuz if it's good it usually gets sold out anyways. but that is beside the point. just think if you had your debut album, and got fucked over, you wouldnt be too happy would you?
i know i wouldnt be
anyways late

What I want to know is how the hell an album that wont even be released for another few months, that isnt even finished has ended up on the web? Sounds like either him or his label made a major fuckup and somehow let it get leaked.

Honestly I dont see why hes so worked up about it. If he made some brand new tunes just for that album that managed to get out, I can understand how he would be upset. But I wouldnt get so worked up as to consider not finishing the album. Sounds like hes making music with his wallet, not with his heart. Fuck, if I was him I would be flattered people were downloading and enjoying something I created. A few days after the album is released it will be all over the internet anways, theres nothing that you can really do to stop it. So why not benefit from it??? You cant buy publicity like that! I live in Georgia, far far from any decent record store that sells any trance CD that doesnt "INCLUDE SMASH HITS FROM IAN VAN DAHL, DARUDE, AND ALICE DEEJAY!!!" Not to mention trance is never ever played on radio stations around here. MP3's are the ONLY exposure I can get to new music. Hell, I wouldnt even know about trance if it wasnt for them. I never buy albums without downloading them and listening to them first. If I really like it, I will usually end up buying it, if I can find it somewhere (which is pretty tough around here. And I refuse ordering from overseas and being raped on shipping).

If he REALLY made music with his heart he would finish the album even if not one single copy was bought and it was spread all across the internet more than that damn "If you jerk it, god kills a kitty" pic


Just my opinion

Keep this in mind, if you were a professional producer, who's income depending on stuff like this, you would feel the same way.
And if anyone is thinking that because say... PvD doesnt do stuff like this, he's better, please keep in mind that he, and a lot of other dj's, can charge absolutley incredible amounts of money for their 2/3/how many hours sets.

Mebbe I relate coz I want to be a producer sometime in the future and I'd feel the same way

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Originally posted by liquidxxd just think if you had your debut album, and got fucked over, you wouldnt be too happy would you? i know i wouldnt be anyways late

If my debut album that wasnt even finished and wasnt gonna be released for another few months some how got out on the internet, then either someone busted into my studio and stole the tunes, or someone in my label leaked it. L-Vee makes it sound like its the fault of all the people who've already downloaded it. Well, its already out there now anyhoo, you outta figure out how the fuck it got there.

I wouldnt mind if an album of mine got spread around the web. Id just be glad the music I created was being enjoyed by people. I might be a bit dissapointed that everyone heard it before its big release, but they just would have downloaded (or bought) it anyways after it came out.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Keep this in mind, if you were a professional producer, who's income depending on stuff like this, you would feel the same way.

Its not like the artists end up on the street or something. Very little from a CD/vinyl sale goes straight to the producer. Record labels pay them anyways just for being on the team. How do you think they live between album/record releases? A guy I know made a few fruityloops tunes that found their way to a label. They started sending him paychecks, and told him to keep making tunes and once he had enough, they would release an album for him. None of his tunes have even gotten vinyl releases.

I hope L-Vee finishes the album tho

I can understand L-Vee's point of being angry, but at the same time...

How are you going to know to go out and buy the vinyl if you don't know the track? MP3 exposure lets you hear a track that you might want to spin, and if they are truly producing quality trance then the masses will buy it. It's a great way to market yourself and make money, and the true followers will buy the album anyways out of respect to the producer.

Just my opinion.

Here�s a little thought...

Wouldn�t it be cool if all ripping groups bojcotted (bad spelling) L-Vee.
I know it sounds mean but that would make him understand the importance of what the mp3 sceene is doing for him.

Anyways...as some ppl have said. I think this is a promotion trick.
Just look how much responce he has gotten.




LateRz.z.z.

Hrm maybe he should ask himself if he'd be as well-known if it wasn't for the mp3 scene. I bet his album sells more copies than it would have done otherwise.

Re: Controversial opinions ... don't read in case you are easily upset

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Originally posted by Vesa I think everybody who is inside enough in trance scene to know where to get those tracks, is already putting all their hard-earned (or even borrowed money) to vinyls/CDs. What are the "artists" expecting? Should trance fans commit a bank robbery to buy more of their tracks? I work at the university, and accept giving out intellectual material for a fixed salary. It's necessary that all information is accessible on www for free. It just doesn't work that you pay for 10% of material, and only know about 10% of things. You need to have complete access to information to really understand what's going on in science. It's the same thing with trance. I tried to avoid downloading stuff for two years in the beginning of my trance hobby. Then I realized I will never get to understand this music properly unless I get an overview of most stuff that is released. Getting to know the newest promos and unfinished tracks is essential to understanding where the music is going. I had a choice: I'll pay loads of money, and stay completely ignorant, or pay loads of money and get what I need from this music. Improvement of knowledge is more than linear: if you hear 10% of tracks (maximum that one can afford when buying stuff i.e. not downloading mp3s), you have a certain amount of knowledge about trance. If you know 50% of tracks, then you'll know 20 times more. Not 5 times more but 20 times more! That's because you understand each tune (sounds, stucture, where the track has taken its influences) so much better when hearing other tracks. The record companies are busy whining about illegal downloading of their material. Still they aren't doing much to stop it in a sensible way. Where can one find samples of their past and current tracks? I want to hear what kind of sounds/ideas different producers are using before buying very expensive vinyls/CDs. Therefore, I'll give huge credit to United Recordings www site, which has samples and even full-length tracks of all their released trance. I'm going to give preference to them when choosing vinyls because they have deserved it. On the contrary, some famous trance labels have released several compilations with erroneous tracklistings, even tracks from their own producers (like ITWT XTRA track 7). Of course, their fans can't search/buy/download more tracks from the producer if the name is erroneous. They are offering bad value for money, which encourages disappointed buyers to start downloading mp3s. I don't even get started about cheap commercial compilations which may not even mention what mixes of tracks are used. Like when Rank 1 - Airwave turned out to be ATB remix! Or VDM - Eternity Forever was really Club Caviar remix! I think some producers / labels have got unbelievably greedy. They get to travel the world, Ferraris and a long string of girls because of their fans who support their music. And still they are busy wanting more! For once, they could start thinking what their fans are getting out of their music. Do their fans get inside of this great music? Are they hearing enough tunes to understand it properly? It wouldn't be out of place to make an album, and distribute it for free as a way of saying thanks to their fans. Above all thanks are due to people who distribute trance on mp3 as a hobby, so that the artist gets promotion. If mp3s hadn't existed where would many of those producers be? Nowhere. I'm so pissed off by this newly found greediness that I would stop buying their vinyls altogether if I had been buying it (now I'm glad I specialize in older obscure trance). There are loads of quality underground tracks from producers who are still able to appreciate people want to hear their music on mp3. I suspect this is going to be a controversial post. Of course, I understand there is another side of coin, and producers have some reason to be unhappy. What I wrote above doesn't specifically apply to Airwave. He may be in a different situation, which gives him valid reasons to be upset.

Althought this might not be directly relating to the topic, I totally agree with you!!! I got nothing to add here!

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On the contrary, some famous trance labels have released several compilations with erroneous tracklistings, even tracks from their own producers (like ITWT XTRA track 7). Of course, their fans can't search/buy/download more tracks from the producer if the name is erroneous. They are offering bad value for money, which encourages disappointed buyers to start downloading mp3s. I don't even get started about cheap commercial compilations which may not even mention what mixes of tracks are used. Like when Rank 1 - Airwave turned out to be ATB remix! Or VDM - Eternity Forever was really Club Caviar remix!

That's really demotivating to buy a cd (or having it). I mean you want to buy a cd because of the good lay-out, the contribution to the producer and a certain 'perfecness' around the cd. A cd is so much better when you've got the original case/booklet/cd than just a copy. But if they can't even bother to write the right titles on the booklet, what am I supposed to think of the effort the artist has given to the cd? For instance, I bought the cd 'Ferry Corsten - Live at Dance Valley 2001'. It has the song 'Such is life'from Rank 1 on it(Marco V Remix). The booklet says 'Such is li v', now everytime I see this cd that gets my attention. It might seem like a small detail, but for me it's a disappointment in the artist.


Oh yeah, 'bout the album of Airwave, half of the songs is so old, you can't expect that to be not on the net, i think ya'all know which songs I'm talking about.



Greetz,



Kamaya.

Re: asd

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Originally posted by verminator im 100% sure on that i wouldnt even have known about 3/4 of the dj's/producers i know of today if it wasnt for mp3's, and im not probably the only one. greetz

100% agree.

greetz

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