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| Originally posted by Krypton What do you mean? "Sometimes I think", not "I believe". |
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| Some people believe that in ancient times, aliens were always communicating with humans. |
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| I am just theorizing, that if humans and aliens had been communicating in ancient times, could these aliens be interpreted as angels? |
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| Some say the Egyptian pyramids could only have been built with outside help. |
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Not saying they were, but it's just my imagination on fire dude...RELAX... |
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| Originally posted by Renegade Okay, let's get ourselves on the same page then: do you actually believe that there is a "UFO/extraterrestrial" basis for the events in the Bible, or are you just stroking my skeptical bone for the fun of it? |
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| "Some people"? Such as...? |
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| Perhaps, but one would have to ask: 1) Why the aliens / angels didn't reveal anything to us humans that wasn't later discovered via a decidedly arduous process of natural, empirical inquiry; 2) Why they chose to cease communicating with us as soon as we reached the age of the digicam and the voice recorder? |
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| Nothing wrong with having an imagination, just make sure that the bastard knows its place. Imagination should be guided by perception, not the other way around. |
Chariots of the Gods.... good reading
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| Originally posted by LazFX Chariots of the Gods.... good reading |
This is probably one of the strangest encounters recorded in the Bible between man and alien beings (whatever they are)....
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Ezekiel 1:4-28
4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north�an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.
10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.
15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about [d] as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. <----This is soooo UFO'ish...scary...
19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked like an expanse, sparkling like ice, and awesome. 23 Under the expanse their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, [e] like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.
25 Then there came a voice from above the expanse over their heads as they stood with lowered wings. 26 Above the expanse over their heads was what looked like a throne of sapphire, [f] and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. 27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.
This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN but the chances that they know we're here plus the chances they have the technology to get here are so small its hardly worth thinking about. and LOL at using something like the bible as evidence for ET! |
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| Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I didn't realise you were also a finite wiz. |
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| Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I don't recall referencing the Bible, whatsoever? |
i mean come on, youre the big conspiracy theorist concerning christianty, why on earth would i direct a comment like that to you?
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| Originally posted by Krypton No, it's something I think about. How can I possibly state such a hypothesis as fact? |
he asked if you believe the hypothesis, which is no different to asking someone if they believe in god (a question you have answered on multiple occasions).
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN sorry? new sentence, new paragraph, new topic. perhaps directed to krypton and not you? i mean come on, youre the big conspiracy theorist concerning christianty, why on earth would i direct a comment like that to you? |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN but the chances that they know we're here plus the chances they have the technology to get here are so small its hardly worth thinking about. |
God is god.
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| Originally posted by Krypton This is probably one of the strangest encounters recorded in the Bible between man and alien beings (whatever they are).... ------------------------------------------------------------- Ezekiel 1:4-28 4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north�an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved. 10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning. 15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about [d] as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. <----This is soooo UFO'ish...scary... 19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked like an expanse, sparkling like ice, and awesome. 23 Under the expanse their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, [e] like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings. 25 Then there came a voice from above the expanse over their heads as they stood with lowered wings. 26 Above the expanse over their heads was what looked like a throne of sapphire, [f] and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. 27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking. |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, to be fair that's not what renegade asked he asked if you believe the hypothesis, which is no different to asking someone if they believe in god (a question you have answered on multiple occasions).you can't bring the topic up and then skate around it, do you believe in these ideas you are raising or not? |
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| Originally posted by LazFX Gilgamesh would like to have a word with you... |
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| Originally posted by Krypton How can I believe in a hypothesis I don't know for a fact is true. It's just something I think about. In Western theology, there is this notion that God and his "kingdom" are purely spiritual. What I am hypothesizing is, could God's kingdom be physical? Could aliens and angels be one in the same? There is another theory, in which UFOs are a manifestation of Satan's kingdom... Ephesians 6:12 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I bet I could find a passage in the bible that I could argue meant just about anything. I find the notion of searching for "alien" passages to be pretty stupid though. Don't you think there's enough fantasy in the bible as it is? Its much more likely that some of the more creative entries are related to the magic mushroom rather than visitors from another planet. You can keep quoting nonsense as much as you like, it just makes you look foolish imo. |
Can God vote?
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| Originally posted by Krypton Of course it's stupid to you...You're always looking at it thru' the prism of atheism, so anything even remotely related to "God" is stupid to you...I think it's interesting though. Could some of the writers have been trippin on the best shrooms in the ancient world. Maybe...Could extraterrestrials have visited them? Maybe...See we don't know, because no one was alive to witness events as they happened thousands of years ago, so we can only speculate on what the ancient texts describe. As I've stated before, I'm speculating out of interest to the idea... |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Well, to be honest I find it far more likely that the bible is the (loosely-written) word of god than I do a diary of UFO visits. Speculating is fine, but I'm gonna need more than ambiguous quotes from a document that has been re-written more times than we'll ever know. If all we have to speculate about is such passages, then I think we're a little light on evidence, wouldn't you agree? |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I bet I could find a passage in the bible that I could argue meant just about anything. I find the notion of searching for "alien" passages to be pretty stupid though. Don't you think there's enough fantasy in the bible as it is? Its much more likely that some of the more creative entries are related to the magic mushroom rather than visitors from another planet. You can keep quoting nonsense as much as you like, it just makes you look foolish imo. |
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| Originally posted by ******** If there is no god then who wrote all the books, Satan? |
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| Originally posted by ******** If there is no god then who wrote all the books, Satan? |
Lucifer is the light bringer...
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z Lucifer is the light bringer... |
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| Originally posted by Krypton Isaiah 14 The Fall of Lucifer 12 � How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,[b] son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: � I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.� 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 � Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: � Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?� 18 � All the kings of the nations, All of them, sleep in glory, Everyone in his own house; 19 But you are cast out of your grave Like an abominable branch, Like the garment of those who are slain, Thrust through with a sword, Who go down to the stones of the pit, Like a corpse trodden underfoot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial, Because you have destroyed your land And slain your people. The brood of evildoers shall never be named. 21 Prepare slaughter for his children Because of the iniquity of their fathers, Lest they rise up and possess the land, And fill the face of the world with cities.� |
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| Originally posted by ******** Actually there are a number of people who think that the people in the desert - and Moses may have been high on a drug such as Ergot. Ergot shows up time and time again in ancient "supernatural" experiences, not only in Asia but also in Europe and even the Americas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot I think God having a hand in things would be just as plausable - bearing of the nature of reality itself... however drugs may offer some type of connection with the divine that otherwise may not be noticed, for whatever aspect of divine or supernatural there to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacological_cult |
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