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Originally posted by Ania_xox You first you must set the example

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America's forefathers were brilliant, faultless men, whose example should be followed by the whole of the rest of the world.

God and Jesus haven't ever made humans more perfect than them, and anyone who doesn't believe that is obviously an ignorant, communist, invalid pedophile who deserves to be shot out of a cannon into the asshole of Satan (i.e. the Sun).

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE, IT'S BOUGHT WITH GUNS!

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Originally posted by RJT

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Originally posted by chach Search function n00b

I don't want to see your choda THAT much

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Originally posted by Ania_xox I don't want to see your choda THAT much

lies

Slut.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN

The fact that you're referring to the United States as "America" says a lot about how much you've thought about, well, anything. I don't think that Labrador and Chile necessarily agree with anything you say.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox I don't want to see your choda THAT much

is that ghetto for shoulder?

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Originally posted by chach is that ghetto for shoulder?

choda is polish for pussy

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN were just fucking politicians. they had agendas, biases, and made mistakes like any other public servant. they weren't fucking perfect. so all you stupid fucking yanks that keep referring to what you believe the forefathers thought or wanted or believed - shut the fuck up. it doesn't make what you're saying any more accurate or correct. the fact that you can't see the inherent stupidity of always harking back to 18th century theory is more than a little ridiculous. yes, i've been reading the guns thread and some of you are fucking stupid.

Go back to your sheep herd, the only reason you want to forget the past is because you want to hide the fact that you're an offspring of a criminal. Baaaah.

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Originally posted by chach is that ghetto for shoulder?

hahahahahahhahaaaaa ^^^^
I'm handing you my n00bity for the day

Either guys in the states don't have these, or you have another word for them:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=choda

Ah, the choda is the taint.

Coorva. What a huj I am.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN were just fucking politicians. they had agendas, biases, and made mistakes like any other public servant. they weren't fucking perfect. so all you stupid fucking yanks that keep referring to what you believe the forefathers thought or wanted or believed - shut the fuck up. it doesn't make what you're saying any more accurate or correct. the fact that you can't see the inherent stupidity of always harking back to 18th century theory is more than a little ridiculous. yes, i've been reading the guns thread and some of you are fucking stupid.

Did an American rape your mother or something? Jesus fucking christ.

To be fair to PKC, some of the shit people are spouting off in that gun thread is unreal.

I had to just stop reading it.

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Originally posted by Renzo Ah, the choda is the taint. Kurwa. Ale ze mnie chuj.

fixed xoxo
I think you're ready to go to Warszawa

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Originally posted by Nostalgic Did an American rape your mother or something? Jesus fucking christ.

as an american, i fully agree with PKC. Looking to the intent of people in the 1700's is almost like using an instruction booklet for a computer made in the 1970s when trying to solve a problem with a computer made today.

Lincoln raped my sister

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Originally posted by whiskers Go back to your sheep herd, the only reason you want to forget the past is because you want to hide the fact that you're an offspring of a criminal. Baaaah.

Fuck you beat me to it.

Dirty convict...

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Originally posted by Ania_xox fixed xoxo I think you're ready to go to Warszawa

Dziękują.

I think.

PKC's the next Cyrus King.

People typically look to the founders because they see the beliefs and desires of the people who wrote and ratified the U.S. Constitution as helpful guides to the interpretation of it, not because they see them as infallible or something.

I guess you could always argue that we should simply disregard the Constitution and make whatever laws we please. That would definitely make the thoughts of the founders irrelevant.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles People typically look to the founders because they see the beliefs and desires of the people who wrote and ratified the U.S. Constitution as helpful guides to the interpretation of it, not because they see them as infallible or something. I guess you could always argue that we should simply disregard the Constitution and make whatever laws we please. That would definitely make the thoughts of the founders irrelevant.

I don't really think that's the issue PKC is having here though - it's not whether or not the founding fathers were intelligent, thoughtful people who laid the groundwork for pretty much all social change in the Western world for the past 250 years, but rather that all too often it seems that the average American (and average American politician) are willing to interpret the policies of the founding fathers for their own devices.

The second amendment just seems to be the one where most folks either completely miss the point (and its irrelevance in the modern world), or consciously choose to misread it in an effort to support their own agendas, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't fuck me off as well.

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Originally posted by RJT I don't really think that's the issue PKC is having here though - it's not whether or not the founding fathers were intelligent, thoughtful people who laid the groundwork for pretty much all social change in the Western world for the past 250 years, but rather that all too often it seems that the average American (and average American politician) are willing to interpret the policies of the founding fathers for their own devices. The second amendment just seems to be the one where most folks either completely miss the point (and its irrelevance in the modern world), or consciously choose to misread it in an effort to support their own agendas, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't fuck me off as well.

Beat me to it.

I'd only add that the comment is directed at the people who defend their positions with "because the Founders said so!" and leave it at that, not taking into account the context of the decisions of the Founders - the majority of issues of the time were viciously debated for years. It's silly to forget that and think they represent uniformity of consensus on all issues relating to law and the Constitution. Whether times have changed or not, it's important to realize that "The Founders" were not a single entity, and that they spent more time disagreeing (and dueling) amongst themselves than agreeing on anything with unanimity of "intentions."

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Beat me to it. I'd only add that the comment is directed at the people who defend their positions with "because the Founders said so!" and leave it at that, not taking into account the context of the decisions of the Founders - the majority of issues of the time were viciously debated for years. It's silly to forget that and think they represent uniformity of consensus on all issues relating to law and the Constitution. Whether times have changed or not, it's important to realize that "The Founders" were not a single entity, and that they spent more time disagreeing (and dueling) amongst themselves than agreeing on anything with unanimity of "intentions."

Unfortunately, they don't teach kids that in history class. All most Americans learn in the grammar school education is that "the constitution is the most amazing document in the world and the founding fathers were absolutely brilliant for putting it together" - which really seems about the biggest disservice/injustice American education could do to their legacy.

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Originally posted by RJT Unfortunately, they don't teach kids that in history class. All most Americans learn in the grammar school education is that "the constitution is the most amazing document in the world and the founding fathers were absolutely brilliant for putting it together" - which really seems about the biggest disservice/injustice American education could do to their legacy.

Poor Alexander Hamilton, he's so misunderstood.

I took a course on the Federalist/Anti-Federalist debate and it was really fascinating to see just how construed common knowledge about the Constitutional Convention and the philosophies of the Founding Fathers really are.

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