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Originally posted by Dreamer2go i never used ableton before but can you trainwreck using ableton?

if you don't warp tracks correctly, yes

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Originally posted by montana if you don't warp tracks correctly, yes

Among other things...

learn to do all and no problems.

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Originally posted by Tony Morello you don't put out your resume with a little typo on it "to give it that little touch of character" a demo is like your dj resume, you want to put your best foot forward

Indeed.

Your demo's there much more to show what you play and how you play it (by that I mean mixing style, rather than "can this man beatmatch?"), you don't want some beatmatching slips detracting from that. Having said that, I think a very minor slip which you quickly correct isn't a problem at all, just avoid doing too many of them.

Nowadays I'd say most promoters are used to hearing pretty spotless mixing on demos. People don't go "wow, this guy's good at beatmatching!" anymore, maybe they did 10 years ago but the average quality of beatmatching among DJs now is so high that it's just assumed it'll be pretty much perfect.

Again, in the past a little mistake which was quickly corrected might have been thought to give it character, but I don't think that's the case anymore either... it depends though, a "loose" mix in a tech/electro house set may well still have that effect, but in trance 99% of the time you ideally want it to be perfect.

There is a thing as too perfect. A friend of mine actually got ruled out for the first round of a contest because the judges claimed his set was done with ableton instead of his cdj1000s.

Allthough I haven't had that many gigs and things have only recently started to look up, all promoters where more than happy about my promotional sets. Some of them had minor drifting here and there. I never had any comments on that, and the promoters that had concrete plans have all booked me or have confirmed they will in a fairly short ammount of time.

Of course a promo/demo mix has to be neat, but overall I think it's the flow of the mix which is most important, as well as how you present yourself as a person (be humble and confident ). A minor slip up on a demo would be one that does not ruin the flow of the transition/mix, in my opinion.

I think the most IMPORTANT thing about a promo mix is picking interesting music that stands you apart.

The rest is all secondary to that imo.

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Originally posted by Clovis I think the most IMPORTANT thing about a promo mix is picking interesting music that stands you apart.

I second that , which from my point of view would be considered part creating a good flow. Good track selection makes sure your mix is interesting/exciting.

There is no exact answer to the initial question. That's the funny thing, it depends on the people you're dealing with . Each person has their own demands for a demo.

So does one wait for the demo to be perfect or can one mistake pass?


That's where I'm stuck now.

Rule of thumb for production, demos, d.j. sets, etc - it's NEVER going to be "perfect". There comes a time when you have to just let go. Put it out there - if it doesn't fly, it's not the end of the world. You can always (and most likely will) make another mix, to get other gigs.

If you put attaining perfection over rational and constructive self-criticism, you'll be trying to make that perfect demo for a loooooong time - seen?

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Originally posted by Harmonika Rule of thumb for production, demos, d.j. sets, etc - it's NEVER going to be "perfect". There comes a time when you have to just let go. Put it out there - if it doesn't fly, it's not the end of the world. You can always (and most likely will) make another mix, to get other gigs. If you put attaining perfection over rational and constructive self-criticism, you'll be trying to make that perfect demo for a loooooong time - seen?

Thanks mang!!

Not to split any hairs, but EVERYTHING matters on a demo.

Technical Ability
Track Selection
Flow
Sound Control during mixing(the trend that I've noticed esp. in Asia, judges / promoters tend to place emphasis on this. Matching levels on various tracks mastered differently spanning vinyl / CD / MP3 to a 90% accuracy takes skill / experience and a finely tuned ear.

Nonetheless, if you screw up in one of the above, the other should hopefully compensate. Otherwise, don't bother making a demo in the first place.

If you know your beat mixing / eq'ing is below par, you better damn well make sure your track listing contains ID's that could have Diggers scraping his bins.

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Originally posted by Schwab Honestly, if someone hands me a demo with train wrecking on it, I trash it.

Oh boy i am sending you Steves new "I drank a bottle of jack" demo then.


****** you missed a good time. BTW

slip ups and fuck ups don't add character, they show imperfections, which any knowledgable club owner/promotor would toss out in an instant, there are countless other dj's who are willing to put in the time and effort to beatmatch proper, so if you're not, don't expect anything!!! like many oothers have said in this thread, if you're handing in a mix to a club, make sure it's perfect.

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