Originally posted by Cobalt
As another example, Flesh was a mainroom anthem in part because of Jan Johnston's lyrics.
which was written by BT Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on May-10-2008 21:08:
LOL.
Posted by Cobalt on May-10-2008 21:12:
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Originally posted by RapidFire
which was written by BT
No kidding? Just the music, I think.
Posted by phineasncole on May-10-2008 21:18:
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Originally posted by Cobalt
It's a fake account that someone creates for the purpose of making havoc. Generally alts pretend to ask loaded questions or voice frustrating, naive positions for the purpose of derailing threads.
Maybe you did not read my response...ok I am spending too much time on here especially when someone mistakes my thoughts for spam lol
so this is all I'll write for now,
To add, good music is only good from someones point of view. Now if you define good as catchy and well produced, then good lyrics/vocals are touched in every genre. lyrics/vocals from any genre can also be remixed into dance/trance. I think the popular belief is that people believe dance music is completely different than the typical pop/contempory song when in many instances it is not.
Unfortunately many of the dance songs played on dance radio is not the best. This is just my opinion but they often sound fabricated, factory preset, terrible lyrics, and vocals and tend to be a bad first impression what people consider all dance music is like.
Dance music has all the elements, of verse, chorus, hooks, etc... and like in every genre there are many bad dance songs as there are many great ones.
listen to a couple of nice tracks with nice lyrics and vocals,
"Who Will Find Me" DJ Shah feat Adrina Thorpe
"Don't Forget Me" Way Out West
"Like a Waterfall" Jes
Posted by RapidFire on May-10-2008 21:25:
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Originally posted by Cobalt
No kidding? Just the music, I think.
I believe it was a collaborative effort.
Posted by Cobalt on May-10-2008 21:32:
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Originally posted by RapidFire
I believe it was a collaborative effort.
Well, evidently something happened between Flesh and Communicate. Posted by Cobalt on May-10-2008 21:36:
The Knife could be another recent example.
Posted by josh rising on May-10-2008 21:46:
i don't think anything can beat jan johnston - flesh... but the following come close... strictly trance btw.
cass & slide - perception
andain - summer calling
hemstock & jennings - crimson soil
darren tate ft. marcella woods - lifted
solar stone ft. elizabeth fields - speak in sympathy
lost witness - red sun rising
deepsky ft. jes - talk like a stranger
way out west - mindcircus
unkle - reign (way out west mix)
Posted by montana on May-10-2008 21:48:
matthew herbert, jamie lidell
Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-10-2008 22:01:
Faithless are easily the winners in this category in my experience. Possibly the only electronic genre that actually puts a lot of thought into the sung lyrics is trip-hop.
Posted by Project-K on May-10-2008 22:16:
Fluke has great lyrics
Posted by RebeL9 on May-10-2008 22:20:
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Originally posted by phineasncole
trance and lyrics ?? or do you mean vocals?
trance, is a genre which consists of many songs, and many with lyrics.
...lyrics is just one facet of a song.
I think this view is narrow minded.. Some of the best trance songs ever consists of vocals/lyrics !! Vocals/lyrics give extended life to many trance songs, where instrumentals usually become forgotten. also vocals are what many new listeners gravitate to. vocals are often a gateway for new listeners.
in regards to the worse lyrics.. hip hop takes the cake!!
are you kidding me? 99% of all trance tunes with vocals are pure garbage.
Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-10-2008 22:26:
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Originally posted by Project-K
Fluke has great lyrics
I like Fluke's lyrics, but we're ruling Underworld out for being "jibber-jabber" so I didn't think Fluke were worth mentioning either. They used vocals almost as texture, rather than to communicate a message.
Posted by Cobalt on May-10-2008 22:28:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I like Fluke's lyrics, but we're ruling Underworld out for being "jibber-jabber" so I didn't think Fluke were worth mentioning either. They used vocals almost as texture, rather than to communicate a message.
Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Underworld fan. But they don't fit the category I'm asking about here. Ditto Fluke.
Posted by phineasncole on May-10-2008 23:33:
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Originally posted by RebeL9
are you kidding me? 99% of all trance tunes with vocals are pure garbage.
with a statement like that, are you sure you even like trance ?
Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-10-2008 23:36:
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Originally posted by phineasncole
with a statement like that, are you sure you even like trance ?
Trance is just about the only thing that Rebel9 does like, you can be sure of that.
Posted by FromAbove on May-10-2008 23:41:
Armin van Buuren & DJ Shah - Going Wrong
That's great.
Posted by PETRAN on May-10-2008 23:54:
Ok, but are we talking specifically about trance or progressive house? Because seriously, genres such as Funky-House and Deep-House have COUNTLESS songs with soulfull vocals on top and stuff. I mean, i'm bored to start mentioning them, because they are way too many!
Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-11-2008 00:01:
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Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, but are we talking specifically about trance or progressive house? Because seriously, genres such as Funky-House and Deep-House have COUNTLESS songs with soulfull vocals on top and stuff. I mean, i'm bored to start mentioning them, because they are way too many!
We're talking about lyrics. Deep house lyrics are just as shit as trance lyrics, usually.
Posted by noikeee on May-11-2008 00:03:
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Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, but are we talking specifically about trance or progressive house? Because seriously, genres such as Funky-House and Deep-House have COUNTLESS songs with soulfull vocals on top and stuff. I mean, i'm bored to start mentioning them, because they are way too many!
I know little about funky-house and haven't been following deep-house for long, but I have a really hard time to think of any tracks in those genres with lyrics that mean anything. Most of the vocals are, like, "baaaaaaby make me mooooove, make me feel the souuuuul in my boooooody".
Sure some vocals sound good (and personally that's all I care about), but this thread is about songwriting.
Posted by RapidFire on May-11-2008 00:06:
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Originally posted by Cobalt
Well, evidently something happened between Flesh and Communicate.
yeah communicate's the weakest track on ET, lyrically speaking. but there were still some good ones (paris, dark heart)
Posted by PETRAN on May-11-2008 00:16:
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Originally posted by noikeee
I know little about funky-house and haven't been following deep-house for long, but I have a really hard time to think of any tracks in those genres with lyrics that mean anything. Most of the vocals are, like, "baaaaaaby make me mooooove, make me feel the souuuuul in my boooooody".
Sure some vocals sound good (and personally that's all I care about), but this thread is about songwriting.
Well, thing is that these lyrics fit in that certain musical context. I mean funky house is related to funk which is "babyyy moveee yeaah" and stuff like that. Deep-house is similar. In that case, the purpose of the lyrics are to fit-in with the "passion" or the "atmosphere" of the tune. I mean Daft Punk lyrics are cheesy bu they obviously need to be in this specific way because they fit with the music. So, it all depends on the context. I mean, if by song-writing the threadstarter means "clever" lyrics that pose existential questions of phenomenological purity, or social themes, well, obviously, it will be difficult to find them in any EDM for that matter!
But tell you what, some 80s new-wave acts managed to "bind" together dancey rhythms and catchy melodies with very serious song-writing. One example that comes to mind is this song by OMD.
lyrics:
Enola gay, you should have stayed at home yesterday
Aha words cant describe the feeling and the way you lied
These games you play, theyre gonna end it more than tears someday
Aha enola gay, it shouldnt ever have to end this way
Its 8:15, and thats the time that its always been
We got your message on the radio, conditions normal and youre coming home
Enola gay, is mother proud of little boy today
Aha this kiss you give, its never ever gonna fade away
Enola gay, it shouldnt ever have to end this way
Aha enola gay, it shouldnt fade in our dreams away
Its 8:15, and thats the time that its always been
We got your message on the radio, conditions normal and youre coming home
Enola gay, is mother proud of little boy today
Aha this kiss you give, its never ever gonna fade away
Generally synth-pop and new-wave usually had very clever lyrics. Ahh the 80s...
Posted by AustralianGQ on May-11-2008 00:16:
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Originally posted by RebeL9
are you kidding me? 99% of all trance tunes with vocals are pure garbage.
well ur entitled to ur opnion...alot of ppl would argue its the other way around and 99% of vocal trance tunes have good or excellent written lyrics to them, u just sound bitter
Posted by enydo on May-11-2008 00:27:
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Originally posted by AustralianGQ
well ur entitled to ur opnion...alot of ppl would argue its the other way around and 99% of vocal trance tunes have good or excellent written lyrics to them, u just sound bitter
Excellent written lyrics aren't dreamy vocal lines about floating on clouds or riding unicorns through majestic fields of sunflowers. Sorry.
Posted by Redd on May-11-2008 00:28:
yeah, 99% of vocal trance have good or excellent written lyrics.
seriously, what drugs are you doing while posting?
Just the music, I think.
lol
