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god you're confusing rjt

Hahah...I love that no matter how many times it's mentioned, everyone is always armed and ready to fight this fight.

Humans are the HIV of the earth

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Originally posted by Clovis Humans are the HIV of the earth

No, they're the cancer that's killing /b/!

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Originally posted by bananas god you're confusing rjt

How are you confused?



Do we really need to have a c0r summary for everything?

c0r Summary: The God of traditional western theology is viewed as omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent (all knowing, all seeing, all powerful). This is not compatible with free will because for our will to be free God cannot know what we're going to do next, nor can he stop us from doing it.

There we go - and all I really wanted was Craig's opinion anyways.

jesus christ

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Originally posted by RJT How are you confused?

No, he's saying that God is confusing you!

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Originally posted by Lira No, he's saying that God is confusing you!

Damn you!

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Originally posted by Rook i used to believe in evolution. however, recently i had a close relative pass away and have started to see thnigs from a different perspective. i have started to do more research about god and his creations, and tbh honest everything he states in the bible and especially what he reveals in the quran seems to check out. my question is what part of it is debatable..?? its either he did or didnt.

I hate people that say tbh honest, and other shit like that. WTF!

To be honest honest, that's what that means you tard, rethink yoar life please.

PTL LORD!

(PRAISE THE LORD, LORD!)

I thought he was calling you gay.

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Originally posted by RJT Just for fun, let's run with this for a minute. You and I both know that any kind of position on God and creation requires a few blanket or foundational assumptions, and unless I'm wrong, what you've stated above hinges on the assumption that our will is free. Given that assumption, which of the so-called "omni-3's" are you willing to sacrifice to allow for God to exist compatibly with free will? In order for our will to be free, we've got to have the right to choose, if we have the right to choose, God cannot be omniscient as he cannot possibly know what we will choose given that our will is free. His omnipotence also seems to come into question, albeit on the much weaker argument that for our will to be free, he cannot guide our action - thus removing the quality of his being "all powerful.' Not trying to pick on you at all Craig, the problem of free will isn't something anyone has come to consensus on, and there are obviously countless ways in which various theists have resolved it for themselves, I'm just curious how you do.

Indeed, my argument does hing on the assumption that we have free will. Interestingly, I've actually questioned on many occasions whether or not that is true or we just believe our will is free because we prefer to not think of ourselves as slaves. Ultimately, I cannot assert that this is absolutely true; however, I accept that it is as I cannot see any rational reason for an entity capable of creating the universe to create life therein if they are mearly appendages to himself.

As far as the omnis go, I've struggled. Ultimately, I believe that god must have the ability to be omniscient and omnipotent; however, he has elected to not intervien in the day to day affairs of man (which was once a source of a feeling I had toward god which bordered on hatred). This position does not negate omniscientance or omnipotentance as it is of god's choice not to exercise his omnipotentance thus rendering his non-omniscient. There is a difference between not exercising his abilities and not having them. With regard to the omnibenevolence, I've never accepted that as it pertains to the time we (all living things) spend in physical form, I believe that it is not until after this life that god's omnibenevolence is exercised. I will happily admit; however, that my position on this is really my own based on a number of theological traditions and philisophical positions reconsiled through my own (possibly flawed) reason.

I always enjoy your questions, Rob. Please forgive me if my explenations are clumsy today, I'm fighing the flu and not at the top of my game.

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Originally posted by jennypie Hahah...I love that no matter how many times it's mentioned, everyone is always armed and ready to fight this fight.

I no fight, I discuss.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Indeed, my argument does hing on the assumption that we have free will. Interestingly, I've actually questioned on many occasions whether or not that is true or we just believe our will is free because we prefer to not think of ourselves as slaves. Ultimately, I cannot assert that this is absolutely true; however, I accept that it is as I cannot see any rational reason for an entity capable of creating the universe to create life therein if they are mearly appendages to himself. As far as the omnis go, I've struggled. Ultimately, I believe that god must have the ability to be omniscient and omnipotent; however, he has elected to not intervien in the day to day affairs of man (which was once a source of a feeling I had toward god which bordered on hatred). This position does not negate omniscientance or omnipotentance as it is of god's choice not to exercise his omnipotentance thus rendering his non-omniscient. There is a difference between not exercising his abilities and not having them. With regard to the omnibenevolence, I've never accepted that as it pertains to the time we (all living things) spend in physical form, I believe that it is not until after this life that god's omnibenevolence is exercised. I will happily admit; however, that my position on this is really my own based on a number of theological traditions and philisophical positions reconsiled through my own (possibly flawed) reason. I always enjoy your questions, Rob. Please forgive me if my explenations are clumsy today, I'm fighing the flu and not at the top of my game.

You never have to apologize, Craig - and I think you actually provided a very thorough response. To be honest, I only asked because I had a hunch it'd be something you'd have thought about, and knowing that you're a theist who can probably articulate their position better than most others, I always like to hear what you have to say about these kinds of things.

In the end, all of our beliefs rely on assumptions (something I'm sure I've spouted off about on here before), so one can hardly fault any theist for nothing more than having their metaphysical beliefs based on some fundamental assumptions (anyone who tells you theirs doesn't is either lying or in denial). Your position is, I think, indicative of the traditional Christian response, or perhaps more specifically, a traditional Catholic response - just a bit more thought out. I think a lot of others would share your view (maybe without even really knowing it).

Either way, did you see the paper I posted on here a few weeks back? It has kind of a lot on free will in it - but it's fairly lengthy.

If you'd like it I'd be happy to pass it along.

Sorry, that's what I meant.

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Originally posted by RJT Either way, did you see the paper I posted on here a few weeks back? It has kind of a lot on free will in it - but it's fairly lengthy. If you'd like it I'd be happy to pass it along.

Saddly, too few people actually think about these things for themselves. Most just go with what they were taught or take positions based on superficial understanding (on both sides of the issue).

I didn't see it. Do you have my email still? If so please send it to me, otherwise, PM me and I'll give you my email address.

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Originally posted by Rook lol. are you serious??

I could not be more serious.

After taking numerous science courses (including the most recent and possibly most fascinating one, a biology/sociology hybrid course entitled Humans: How are we unique and how unique are we?), I'm pretty much done with organized religion as a whole.

Although I still remain Buddhist (seeing as how I'm writing this awesome thesis on how Buddhism works hand in hand with what science has taught us) and believe that there was/is a higher entity that "started" it all (the concept of time is man-made so... even that's hard to say).

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Originally posted by Yan Although I still remain Buddhist (seeing as how I'm writing this awesome thesis on how Buddhism works hand in hand with what science has taught us) and believe that there was/is a higher entity that "started" it all

But, Yan, Buddhism is an atheist religion...

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Originally posted by Yan I'm pretty much done with organized religion as a whole. Although I still remain Buddhist

In what way is Buddhism not an organized religion? Additionally, how exactly does re-incarnation go hand in hand with what science has taught us? Finally, in what way does our not being unique negate any other religion?

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Originally posted by Alex I hate people that say tbh honest, and other shit like that. WTF! To be honest honest, that's what that means you tard, rethink yoar life please. PTL LORD! (PRAISE THE LORD, LORD!)

i hate people who post in threads and provide or no contribution towards the topic being discussed.

Craig - your PM's, check them.

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Originally posted by Lira But, Yan, Buddhism is an atheist religion...

The way I see it, I feel it more of a pseudo-religion than anything else. It really is a way of life that fits in unusually well with the basic nature of the universe, as odd as this sounds. Haha.

This thread about that thread is bigger than that thread!

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Originally posted by Rook i used to believe in evolution. however, recently i had a close relative pass away and have started to see thnigs from a different perspective. i have started to do more research about god and his creations, and tbh honest everything he states in the bible and especially what he reveals in the quran seems to check out. my question is what part of it is debatable..?? its either he did or didnt.

"seems to check out"

I love it.

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Originally posted by donegalredneck This thread about that thread is bigger than that thread!

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