TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- DJ Promotion
-- [Deep House, Dub Techno] Adam Vana - Timeless (DEMF 2008 Promo)
Pages (2): « 1 [2]

Re: [Deep House, Dub Techno] Adam Vana - Timeless (DEMF 2008 Promo)

quote:

Originally posted by nefardec 01. 2raumwohnung - Ich Bin Der Regen (Moritz Von Oswald Remix) [It.sounds] 02. XDB - Descap [Deep Space Media] 03. Swayzak - Low-Rez Skyline [Twisted America] 04. David Alvarado - Flux [Peacefrog] 05. Monoder - Raita [Laka-Tosh] 06. Chaton - Catch The Beat (Agn�s Remix) [Sthlmaudio] 07. Brendon Moeller - Changes [Third Ear] 08. Inverse Cinematics - Detroit Jazzin' [Pulver] 09. Gabriel Ananda - Lamakova [Karmarouge] 10. St. Germain - Alabama Blues [F Communications] 11. Andr� Lodemann - Flying [Moods & Grooves] 12. Jori Hulkkonen - Aarirajoilla [F Communications] 13. Art Bleek - Antichambre [Rush Hour] 14. Strich Acht - Laundromat (Afrilounge's Deep In You Remix) [Flicker Rhythm] 15. Naohito Uchiyama - Green Echoes [Statik Entertainment] 16. DJinxx & Xpansul - Parasol [Ovum] 17. Quince - For My Mr. [Delsin] 18. Nagano Kitchen - GSXR 810 [Apotek] 19. Anonym - Spec Huis (Edit) [Sushitech] 20. Moodymann - Entrance To The Garden [Peacefrog]

Welp, here goes - listened to this a couple of times the past two weeks, and this is definitely, in my mind, your most ambitious mix, and in that respect I think it has it's moments of brilliance and also it's moments where it's clear what you were trying to do, but just didn't really nail it.

This isn't to say I think the set was at all bad, I just also thought there were times when, as noikee pointed out, the energy either just dropped or stayed to stagnant for me (a criticism I've also received plenty of times myself). One thing that kind of stands out to me is that in the beginning, from about the Swayzak tune to the Jori tune, things just felt a bit "fast & loose" - as if you had just the right idea of what tunes to play, but maybe not exactly the right way to play them.

Once that Bleek tune hits though, you seem to have hit your stride and from there on both the flow and the mixing are top notch. It really felt like the first half of the mix was you trying to figure out how you wanted the set to flow, and that once you hit "Aarirajoilla" you found it and kept it the whole rest of the way, which is kind of a neat thing to see in a set because it really gave a feeling of the set just getting better and better, so much so that by the time "Entrance to the Garden" hit I wanted to go right back and hear the set again.

All in all, not the best work you've done (which is hardly much of a criticism considering how much I've loved your other work), but also very cool to see you taking the kinds of chances I think you did in this one.

cool

yeah i don't really like it until the monoder track comes in, then i start enjoying it.

the drop in energy was deliberate, but i guess not enjoyed by all?

i guess i was out to disorient with this one -

i suppose i got bored of doing the same mix over and over. this is a promo of how i play live. when the party is just starting, people are arriving, getting drinks, chatting, etc, i don't feel the need to 'go somewhere', just to set the mood. i was trying to demonstrate n the mix that I can do that, and then I can turn it up and take it somewhere when I feel like doing that as well.


im glad you said 'ambitious' though, because that's really the point. i mean the quote that's been in my sig for ages says

To achieve sustainable innovation, you need to seek persistent disequilibrium. To seek persistent disequilibrium means that one must chase after disruption without succumbing to it or retreating from it

so that's what i try to do in the last 10 months since I've recorded a promo i've been exposed to a lot of different things and have sort of developed a new aesthetic that is in deliberate contrast to my past work

quote:

Originally posted by nefardec cool yeah i don't really like it until the monoder track comes in, then i start enjoying it. the drop in energy was deliberate, but i guess not enjoyed by all?

You aren't going to please everyone all the time - maybe some folks dig it, but if anything I'd probably say the number of people commenting might mean you just need to take a different approach to deliberate energy drops, certainly not abandon them completely.

quote:

Originally posted by nefardec i suppose i got bored of doing the same mix over and over. this is a promo of how i play live. when the party is just starting, people are arriving, getting drinks, chatting, etc, i don't feel the need to 'go somewhere', just to set the mood. i was trying to demonstrate n the mix that I can do that, and then I can turn it up and take it somewhere when I feel like doing that as well.

I think it was pretty clear that this was what you wanted to do, I just think you might be capable of doing it better than this represents. I can understand the desire to get out of the "beginning, middle, end" mold when it comes to mixes - but you also have to remember that the further you stray from that, the less accessible any piece of art will be to the masses (not necessarily a bad thing either).

Just look at books, films, or even other genre's of music albums - there's a reason they teach (roughly) the structure of a story in "rising action->climax->falling action" or why people can map that same mentality onto concept albums or stories told in film: because that's just how they're done. I know, shit reason, right?

Unfortunately, I think it all comes down to justification not unlike that of why pop music is still around, generic action movies still get made, and people like Tom Clancy and Danielle Steel still sell books - because that's what people want.

For the artist (author, musician, etc.), it is all too often a very fine line between being able to create something that represents themselves artistically and conforms to at least some modicum or standard for what is generally considered a cohesive piece in whichever society or cultural they're working. Doing this without compromising the integrity of the piece and pandering to the lowest common denominator is not an easy task. I think the desire to break free of this mentality is completely natural for quote en quote "good" artists, and some of those who cast off entirely the expectations of any society genuinely come up with brilliant and/or revolutionary material.

For me, however, what I consider truly some of the best artistic expressions are those that find that incredible fine line between expectations of others and compromise of self, and walks it with confidence and class. I think Hunter Thompson, Danny Howells, and maybe the Coen brothers or Wes Anderson are examples of people who do this well, and are (again, in my opinion), the best their respective fields have to offer, and none of them would be as good or well known as they are if they didn't have a large audience of people who can relate to them and what they do.

And so I think that something like what you've said here:

quote:

Originally posted by nefardec so that's what i try to do in the last 10 months since I've recorded a promo i've been exposed to a lot of different things and have sort of developed a new aesthetic that is in deliberate contrast to my past work

Makes a lot of sense to me, especially from someone who's as talented as you are musically. The only advice I can give is try not to abandon things you've traditionally done so well in the sake of deliberate difference.

/Spirit5, signing off.

yeah, i knew this was going to be a contentious one

but i think in the end I will be listening to this one myself far in the future. I can't listen to most of my mixes anymore, but this one I think will last, which is one of the reasons i decided to call it 'timeless'.

i really appreciate you giving this such time consideration, and an honest, even if cautious review

quote:

Originally posted by nefardec i really appreciate you giving this such time consideration, and an honest, even if cautious review

You work hard at what you do, and you deserve nothing but what I hope is somewhat useful and totally honest feedback in return for your efforts.

I definitely see myself coming back to this one at some point as well, so we'll see if my opinion changes over time - regardless, from Tantra through this one you've kept me a fan, so I'll continue to look forward to seeing wherever it is you go from here.

This is still in rotation. You've catered to my tastes, very nice. I've made spaghetti while listening to your mix + hauled birch + made a patio. It's tested & approved.

Fan of the Seventh Seal as well. : D Give me a shout when you've mixed another.

I've checked out your myspace page for more but your other two mixes stop at 10 minutes. Shame because I loved both openers.

quote:

Originally posted by Bulgatti I've made spaghetti while listening to your mix + hauled birch + made a patio. It's tested & approved.

this may be the single best piece of feedback i've ever received.


thank you, and may it continue to fuel your productive endeavors.



i've got a huge load of new tracks im sorting through atm. expect a 2 hour mix within the month. i need to step up my recording - 10 months was way to long between mixes

Can someone bop this on sendspace? This is the 8th time I've tried to download it and it times out.

weird, i'm getting 250 kbps at least

i'll up it for you though.


edit: alternatively you can stream from my website

http://www.adamvana.com

look for the dj mix box

It goes real fast at first and then it stops around 10MB

ok so if anyone else has download problems, here is a sendspace link

http://www.sendspace.com/file/yy40o6

download worked fine for me. very nice little set...

Very inspiring mix for me. Enjoying it for a while now.

thx

quote:

Originally posted by able.h thx

no, thank you, able.h

Thoroughly enjoyed this. I'm sure I'll be bumping it to and from work for a while.

getting. t/l looks slick.

cool

hope you enjoy it

and thanks for the bump

downloading .. and shit

So honestly I didn�t even know they still made really good deep tracks like this. I have always been a fan of the deeper side of things but in a more trippy weird sort of way. I absolutely loved ever single track on the mix. The mixing wasn�t very solid but also its really hard to mix this sort of stuff. Tracks with really strong synths that sum up just about every track on the mix are really hard to mix. Most of the time the snyth goes the whole entire track and if your mixing into a track with another strong synth its hard for them to sound good. I really dug it if not from a technical side but on a track selection side, nice work.

On a side note i would try mixing tracks like that into a real stipped down track with no synths. Then mix out of that track quickly with another snythy track .. if that makes any sense.

quote:

Originally posted by Quadlow So honestly I didn�t even know they still made really good deep tracks like this. I have always been a fan of the deeper side of things but in a more trippy weird sort of way. I absolutely loved ever single track on the mix. The mixing wasn�t very solid but also its really hard to mix this sort of stuff. Tracks with really strong synths that sum up just about every track on the mix are really hard to mix. Most of the time the snyth goes the whole entire track and if your mixing into a track with another strong synth its hard for them to sound good. I really dug it if not from a technical side but on a track selection side, nice work. On a side note i would try mixing tracks like that into a real stipped down track with no synths. Then mix out of that track quickly with another snythy track .. if that makes any sense.

haha, a lot of these are older tracks

i agree obviously on the technical aspect of the mix. i was mostly riding pitch and doing manual adjustments, and several of the tracks i had never mixed at all, let alone together with each other - i wanted to squeeze a lot of tracks in that i loved and did so quickly

ive been considering doing it over to make it technically more solid

i guess i enjoyed the challenge this presented.

thanks for the review

listened to you mix last night and am doing so again today before i give a proper review

Another sweet set from you, enjoyed it quite a bit! I'm a good ways into Solstice, I think I'm almost all caught up now. Thanks for sharing.

thanks for keeping up

but now it's another weekend, with another set of mixes from me to follow haha

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.