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apprently onside since another Italian player was lying behind the goal. sick game.

Van Nistelrooy was way WAY offside.

edit // this game is pretty intense though. Kuyt ftw

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Originally posted by noikeee That was absolutely crystal clear. I don't know what the linesman was smoking. There was a italian player laying down on the ground, but outside of the field, therefore he doesn't count.

yes, but he's still a part of the match since the clock wasn't stopped by the referee to get him off the field. that's why when you're injured you sit down ON the field, the ref pauses the game, and once you're off you're considered to be legally not involved in the play of the match. when the italian player simply stalked off the field, he was still accounted for as an involved player. therefore the goal was onside and counted.

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Originally posted by denys envy yes, but he's still a part of the match since the clock wasn't stopped by the referee to get him off the field. that's why when you're injured you sit down ON the field, the ref pauses the game, and once you're off you're considered to be legally not involved in the play of the match. when the italian player simply stalked off the field, he was still accounted for as an involved player. therefore the goal was onside and counted.

I wonder why none of the commentators mentioned that.

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Originally posted by denys envy yes, but he's still a part of the match since the clock wasn't stopped by the referee to get him off the field. that's why when you're injured you sit down ON the field, the ref pauses the game, and once you're off you're considered to be legally not involved in the play of the match. when the italian player simply stalked off the field, he was still accounted for as an involved player. therefore the goal was onside and counted.

I remember reading a rule in an old football rules book that said: a player is forbidden to walk off the field if he has the direct intent to put an opponent offside - doing so is worth a yellow card.

So unless the rule changed, it is an illegal goal.

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Originally posted by noikeee I remember reading a rule in an old football rules book that said: a player is forbidden to walk off the field if he has the direct intent to put an opponent offside - doing so is worth a yellow card. So unless the rule changed, it is an illegal goal.

well a player can run to the fucking bathroom if he wants to. as the rules go, a player needs to ask a referee's permission to get off the field, further requiring a permission to come back onto the field of play, in order to be adjudged as not involved in the match.

that was the problem, he didn't ask the referee to leave the field. and you're right, he should've got a yellow caution for it.

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Originally posted by denys envy well a player can run to the fucking bathroom if he wants to. as the rules go, a player needs to ask a referee's permission to get off the field, further requiring a permission to come back onto the field of play, in order to be adjudged as not involved in the match. that was the problem, he didn't ask the referee to leave the field. and you're absolutely right, he should've gotten a yellow card for it.

A player doesn't need to ask permission to the referee to leave the field if they do so as part of the game. Example, wingers running to the line to catch a ball, and needing extra space to brake! Players do this all the time.

I didn't see how he got there. If he got injured by contact and fell outside, that's legal. If he got injured inside the field and moved outside without permission, then yes, it should've been worth an yellow card.

But either way it was still offside.

without that offside goal the match would be completely different imho

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Originally posted by noikeee A player doesn't need to ask permission to the referee to leave the field if they do so as part of the game. Example, wingers running to the line to catch a ball, and needing extra space to brake! Players do this all the time. I didn't see how he got there. If he got injured by contact and fell outside, that's legal. If he got injured inside the field and moved outside without permission, then yes, it should've been worth an yellow card. But either way it was still offside.

he got "injured", went off the field, and after the goal promptly got up to complain about the call and played the rest of the half without a problem.

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Originally posted by lievez without that offside goal the match would be completely different imho

not really.

Italians are simply not there.

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Originally posted by lievez without that offside goal the match would be completely different imho

i actually feel like the offside goal is irrelevant at 3-0. italy have done nothing to make me feel like they belong in this match.

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Originally posted by lievez without that offside goal the match would be completely different imho

Have to disagree, they didn't make any kind of offensive formation changes after that goal did they?

fantastic match. italy were outplayed regardless of the offside goal.. deserved result imo


<--- temporary holland fan

The 2-0 and 3-0 were pure counter attack goals. Obviously Italy started caring less about their defending lines once they were losing, so yes, the offside goal made the game very different.

Netherlands deserved the win, they played well. The result is way too one-sided for what happened, but Italy has their strikers to blame as they missed too many chances in the 2nd half.

The most important thing: this was a great game.

go holland!!!!!


they will win the euro championship

Now that's what you call a schooling

that goal was strange but it wasn't offside.

Offside goal was a terrible decision but that apart I've got no complaints, holland deserved the win (although 3-0 was flattering).

If ambrosini plays the next game against romania I will flip, he is fuckin useless. If we had the running power of perotta in the midfield then we would have seen a very different game imo. Toni was just so isolated until del piero came on.

After watching the french the group is still wide open imo, italy weren't bad they just didn't take their chances unlike the dutch.

(I also think the question over whether cannavaro would be missed or not was answered pretty emphatically tonight - no organisation at the back at all).

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Originally posted by Zayatz that goal was strange but it wasn't offside.

yes it was.

"A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position"

that first goal definitely wasnt offside
You will read plenty about it tomorrow in the papers explaining that

Even without that goal it was an amazing game

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Originally posted by Zayatz "A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position"

exactly!

I think depending on the feed you watched you might not have seen what happened. Vern watched it on TSN and missed it, the commentators must have missed it as well because ESPN was all over it during the post game.

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Originally posted by bas I think depending on the feed you watched you might not have seen what happened. Vern watched it on TSN and missed it, the commentators must have missed it as well because ESPN was all over it during the post game.

even the dutch commentator missed it at first but when flicking over to the germans in the same second you could hear the right explanation already... They saw it correctly

Just watched a replay and the defender hits Buffon while fighting for the ball - falling outside of the pitch. He didn't "leave the field" on purpose to put the player offside.

In my understanding of the rules, it's offside. That's the opinion of our commentators too. Although if the rule is like Zayatz posted, it does sound like I'm wrong, I was pretty sure that rule only applied to when a player leaves the field on purpose.

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