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Originally posted by idoru What does having more gigs than someone have to do with knowing about mixers and how to use them? If you used both multiple times then having X number of gigs means nothing.

Not much. It's like what does my preference of the DJM 800 over the Xone 92 have to do with my taste in music? Nothing, yet RJT tried to make a point out of it.

I think people are just reacting to RJT attacking almost everything I say.

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Originally posted by cmay119 Probably because he see's a new DJM vs Xone thread every other day. Usually ending with the majority leaning towards the 800 (pretty much proven to be the inferior mixer, in sound quality and build), due to so many jocks loving the cheesy effects unit built in. Though I haven't used either myself, I own a DJM-400 & am already tired of the gimmicky effects that are built in, and have almost completely stopped using them. My next mixer will most definately be a Xone:92. It's the mixer that has everything I want/need & nothing that I don't.

Add to that in almost every case 6 months later the people who decided on the DJM are chiming in about their disappointments with the mixer, and yeah - the topic is fucking tired.

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Originally posted by idoru What does having more gigs than someone have to do with knowing about mixers and how to use them? If you used both multiple times then having X number of gigs means nothing.

Absolutely nothing, oh well.

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Originally posted by DjWoody Not much. It's like what does my preference of the DJM 800 over the Xone 92 have to do with my taste in music? Nothing, yet RJT tried to make a point out of it. I think people are just reacting to RJT attacking almost everything I say.

You like mass marketed, generic, cheesy, chart music and mass marketed, generic, overpriced, popular DJ equipment. Seems as apt an analogy as any I've ever seen, and when you couple that with the absolutely dreadful reasons you've given for preferring the 800, one is only left wondering how anyone actually interested in DJ'ing can buy such clear BS.

Anything else anyone needs cleared up?

Oh yeah - this works. Please use it.

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Originally posted by DjWoody Not much. It's like what does my preference of the DJM 800 over the Xone 92 have to do with my taste in music? Nothing, yet RJT tried to make a point out of it.

If you look at the music people who prefer either mixer play, it seems to have everything to do with it, because therein lies the reasons for their preference.

For playing top 40 the Xone 92 may be the most pointless mixer in the world, for layering techno and house the DJM-800 is not the sharpest tool in the shed. I mean, isn't it obvious that the music you play should have a huge impact on what you decide to play and mix it with?

Also, if "more gigs" means playing top 40 and rock for cash, then I never want to have "more gigs" than anyone.

Keep it.

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Originally posted by RJT Also, if "more gigs" means playing top 40 and rock for cash, then I never want to have "more gigs" than anyone. Keep it.

Rob, clearly you dont know how to DJ. You're supposed to take every single gig possible now matter how shit and retarded for "experience", compromise your musical taste and integrity whenever possible, buy music you don't like because the idiots you play for do, and generally acquiesce to everything. Then once you have experience you get a rider and you can demand 8 DVDJs and a DJM-1000 and 10 bottles of grey goose and a DJ Whore corral behind the booth.


Let us know when you figure out how to play with the big boys

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Originally posted by Clovis Rob, clearly you dont know how to DJ. You're supposed to take every single gig possible now matter how shit and retarded for "experience", compromise your musical taste and integrity whenever possible, buy music you don't like because the idiots you play for do, and generally acquiesce to everything. Then once you have experience you get a rider and you can demand 8 DVDJs and a DJM-1000 and 10 bottles of grey goose and a DJ Whore corral behind the booth. Let us know when you figure out how to play with the big boys

I'll keep you posted, but I don't think I can afford it.

This thread delivers!!

Can I also say that cheesy music is seriously under-rated. This is fucking tranceaddict after all!

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Originally posted by Clovis DJ Whore corral

I chuckled.

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Originally posted by RJT I'll keep you posted, but I don't think I can afford it.

Start playing hip-hop, theres money to be made. Do you like T-Pain? You do now.

RJT, when are we going to start seeing you in 'Boost Mobile' commercials. you can be the new 'that dude'.

"gigs" are over-rated

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Originally posted by starboy "gigs" are over-rated

GOOD gigs are under-rated.

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Originally posted by Clovis GOOD gigs are under-rated.

This.

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Originally posted by cmay119 RJT, when are we going to start seeing you in 'Boost Mobile' commercials. you can be the new 'that dude'.

This guy?




Next Thursday.

Rob is on a fucking roll today......first Beto, now Woody....

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Originally posted by RJT Add to that in almost every case 6 months later the people who decided on the DJM are chiming in about their disappointments with the mixer, and yeah - the topic is fucking tired. Absolutely nothing, oh well. You like mass marketed, generic, cheesy, chart music and mass marketed, generic, overpriced, popular DJ equipment. Seems as apt an analogy as any I've ever seen, and when you couple that with the absolutely dreadful reasons you've given for preferring the 800, one is only left wondering how anyone actually interested in DJ'ing can buy such clear BS. Anything else anyone needs cleared up? Oh yeah - this works. Please use it.

This whole Xone superiority complex is so ridiculous it's funny. "Oh the filters, the layering of my tech house clickety clack crap." Sorry we can't all be as "advanced" as you in your musical taste and mixer choices.

Obviously some mixers are better for different styles. You're diverting attention from you original post and the fact that you're making fun of someone based on their mixer choice (which isn't exactly shabby) and the tracks they play like some cranky, immature, 13 year old kid.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman This whole Xone superiority complex is so ridiculous it's funny. "Oh the filters, the layering of my tech house clickety clack crap." Sorry we can't all be as "advanced" as you in your musical taste and mixer choices.

It would be a lot funnier if it weren't so true to reality. Look at what a majority of people use each mixer for, and it pretty much speaks for itself. Also, if you think this amounts to a superiority complex you should see what the Rane rotary crowd has to say about any mixer with faders

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Obviously some mixers are better for different styles. You're diverting attention from you original post and the fact that you're making fun of someone based on their mixer choice (which isn't exactly shabby) and the tracks they play like some cranky, immature, 13 year old kid.

About as mature as calling it "tech house clickety clack crap"

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Originally posted by Clovis About as mature as calling it "tech house clickety clack crap"

Ridiculous isn't it?

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Ridiculous isn't it?

I don't think RJT was particularly tactful in his post, especially since I know Woody personally and he's a great guy, but the points he raised were...true. Countering with "Woody has more gigs" only served to illustrate the point.


Both mixers are useful, I've played on the 800 loads of times and enjoyed the punchy bass in certain situations, but by and large, for people who like MIXING, and blending music, the Xone is just better. We could post a list of DJ preferences and it would speak for itself.

Why would anyone disrespect Woody? you cannot have a nicer guy around here, plus he has helped so many ppl on these boards. Insecurity is a dissease i swear...

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Originally posted by starboy Why would anyone disrespect Woody? you cannot have a nicer guy around here, plus he has helped so many ppl on these boards. Insecurity is a dissease i swear...

Insecurity card pulled.

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Originally posted by Clovis Insecurity card pulled.

That was fast, i knew that you were gonna say that in those EXACT words, even right down to the

I dont see what all the fuss is about. For me, DJM-800 is the choice for sure over Xone 92 and DJM-700. I've asked many "mainstream" folks over where I am at, and they without exception said that my DJM-800 is much better stylin' than Xone 92 (which I dont own, but I provided links, photos, specs). Plus, my DJM-800 is made in Japan, which I am very happy about. Plus DJM's effects arent as cheesy as some on here try to claim. Its all about using them in the right places and at the right time.

In any case, this shouldn't be a debate of what is better or what is worse - both brands are very good. The real question is what you want to use it for. And that doesnt make the equipment superior.

Compare the specs instead!

No offense, but there's some serious elitism going on here in some posts (no fingers pointing at anyone). I've seen enough of that bullshit on Discogs forums, sadly enough its seeping on here too. Its elitist enough to consider underground detroit techno superior over trance or whatever other music comparison.

Besides, thats NOT the title of the thread ... we're supposed to be comparing 700's vs. 800's. And 800's are slightly better - newer model. Find a good dealer and you can get it for under $1300. I got mine for $1350, brand new, Made In Japan.

BTW, I REALLY miss the sampler that was available in earlier DJM models but absent in the 800's ...


EDIT: I bet RJT thinks that techno music is superior to all other music ... how elitist is that. Most people will find that offensive. Besides, EDM lovers are a small minority in the world. Which clearly shows how "superior" electronic music is! But its not the case. There's no such thing as one style of music superior to another, but merely a listening preference. Just like its offensive to say that French culture/language/etc is inferior to German.

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Originally posted by drEamer Rob is on a fucking roll today......first Beto, now Woody....

Beto is an idiot across the board and I think the reasons Woody gave against buying a Xone were fucking ludicrous.

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Originally posted by Clovis I don't think RJT was particularly tactful in his post, especially since I know Woody personally and he's a great guy, but the points he raised were...true. Countering with "Woody has more gigs" only served to illustrate the point. Both mixers are useful, I've played on the 800 loads of times and enjoyed the punchy bass in certain situations, but by and large, for people who like MIXING, and blending music, the Xone is just better. We could post a list of DJ preferences and it would speak for itself.

I don't see how it was any more tactless than 90% of what other folks post here, but at the end of the day the point being made probably couldn't have been made nearly as clearly without making the distinction between the mindset of someone who cares about getting gigs, making money, and continuing to sound like 90% of the other DJ's who've also spent their years trying to emulate Armin/Tiesto/PVD/etc. and the mindset of somebody who cares about DJ'ing for DJ'ing's sake.

Genre doesn't matter, style doesn't matter - you know where the opinion of those who lay on each side of the fence will rest without even asking.

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