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Originally posted by Mattsanity listened to more than enough to know that every psy trance song has the same typical j00f-like bassline with nothing else going on. I fucking hate these edm genres especially drum n bass

Coming from an electro house gimp. Come the fuck on.

Saying that the Full On bass line is allways that kind of beat that doesn't go nowhere is insane.

I mean, it's pretty much what gives energy to the track, the main problem is that the artists seem to be afraid of trying new things.

The bass line that I talk about it's more or less the one from this sound (which is actually good):

U-recken - Holly Waters




At least there is always someone who makes something complely new:

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Originally posted by vbmaster At least there is always someone who makes something complely new:

That's why I hate all the sub-genres. Always the same discussions. But listening to the last one I think Trance should have one sub-genre called: trance-rubbish.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity yall are so emotionally sensitive to my opinion that is agreed on in this very thread that its killing me. vbmaster pretty much summed up everything I said. so what the fuck do yall say about that. you know I had a point about psytrance being one-dimensional so quit frontin. psytrance is generic and predictable, period.

Generic and predictable idiot.

so this guy is into electro house and he is complaining how psy trance all sounds the same???? please dont get me started on how shit electro house sounds like.

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Originally posted by vbmaster At least there is always someone who makes something complely new:

what the hell was that?

freQ is good

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Originally posted by Magadansky Generic and predictable idiot.

No. Mattsanity is special.

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Originally posted by vbmaster At least there is always someone who makes something complely new:

I'm all for innovation...but that was horrible, just horrible.

Try this on for size. Not innovative, just plain awesome.



Matt Sanity, you're an idiot as always. Saying that all full-on psy is "all the same" because the tracks use similar bass lines is like being one of those ignoramuses who thinks all techno is "unce-unce" or "doof doof" music.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I'm all for innovation...but that was horrible, just horrible.

I didn't say it was better.... :P

Fullon Psytrance has gained it's shape and popularity in the same way electro (house) have.

Both genres are predictable wich makes them easy for the dj to mix and the dancing crowd can sync with it without any problem.

Not saying this makes either of them 'boring' because that is more a matter of personal taste.

Real good dance music should not fill your head with alot of information. Just you and the beat. If it sounds the same, it doesn't matter.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Real good dance music should not fill your head with alot of information. Just you and the beat. If it sounds the same, it doesn't matter.

Well I'd say it doesn't necassarily need to but whats wrong with something really trippey that makes your mind aeszplode!?

Sorry english isn't primary language spelling no good.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Fullon Psytrance has gained it's shape and popularity in the same way electro (house) have. Both genres are predictable wich makes them easy for the dj to mix and the dancing crowd can sync with it without any problem. Not saying this makes either of them 'boring' because that is more a matter of personal taste. Real good dance music should not fill your head with alot of information. Just you and the beat. If it sounds the same, it doesn't matter.

wtf. are you making the rules? wtf kind of rule is that? only trippy dance music is real dance music? theres different types of dance music, all of it real. there is dance music for people who have never done drugs before and will immediately like and appreciate. theres music that works best with an alcohol drinking crowd. and then theres psytrance which sounds great on mushrooms or acid, but when the drug wears off this music just becomes a big fucking headache. fuck you to all douchebags picking apart mattsanity's words. you all know exactly what he's trying to say instead you all look like nerdy librarians saying shit like "this is israeli trance which sounds similiar to psy trance but not actually psy trance, you moron" or "omg that is psy/goa/techno/prog psy hybrid not full on psy you idiot". its like differentiating between 1000 different species of ants, and calling someone an idiot that says they're all just a bunch of ants because he doesnt study the fuck out of ants all day.

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Originally posted by stev�sto wtf. are you making the rules? wtf kind of rule is that? only trippy dance music is real dance music? theres different types of dance music, all of it real. there is dance music for people who have never done drugs before and will immediately like and appreciate. theres music that works best with an alcohol drinking crowd. and then theres psytrance which sounds great on mushrooms or acid, but when the drug wears off this music just becomes a big fucking headache. fuck you to all douchebags picking apart mattsanity's words. you all know exactly what he's trying to say instead you all look like nerdy librarians saying shit like "this is israeli trance which sounds similiar to psy trance but not actually psy trance, you moron" or "omg that is psy/goa/techno/prog psy hybrid not full on psy you idiot". its like differentiating between 1000 different species of ants, and calling someone an idiot that says they're all just a bunch of ants because he doesnt study the fuck out of ants all day.

Another one who has absolutely no idea about psy but speaks like he is the father of all genres.

Wonder why I don't take drugs on a regular basis but I still like psy trance. By your logic this is impossible...

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Originally posted by stev�sto wtf. are you making the rules? wtf kind of rule is that? only trippy dance music is real dance music? theres different types of dance music, all of it real. there is dance music for people who have never done drugs before and will immediately like and appreciate. theres music that works best with an alcohol drinking crowd. and then theres psytrance which sounds great on mushrooms or acid, but when the drug wears off this music just becomes a big fucking headache. fuck you to all douchebags picking apart mattsanity's words. you all know exactly what he's trying to say instead you all look like nerdy librarians saying shit like "this is israeli trance which sounds similiar to psy trance but not actually psy trance, you moron" or "omg that is psy/goa/techno/prog psy hybrid not full on psy you idiot". its like differentiating between 1000 different species of ants, and calling someone an idiot that says they're all just a bunch of ants because he doesnt study the fuck out of ants all day.

if they ever do a "Dumb & dumber 3", you and mattsanity would be perfect for the leading roles

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Originally posted by stev�sto wtf. are you making the rules? wtf kind of rule is that? only trippy dance music is real dance music? theres different types of dance music, all of it real. there is dance music for people who have never done drugs before and will immediately like and appreciate. theres music that works best with an alcohol drinking crowd. and then theres psytrance which sounds great on mushrooms or acid, but when the drug wears off this music just becomes a big fucking headache. fuck you to all douchebags picking apart mattsanity's words. you all know exactly what he's trying to say instead you all look like nerdy librarians saying shit like "this is israeli trance which sounds similiar to psy trance but not actually psy trance, you moron" or "omg that is psy/goa/techno/prog psy hybrid not full on psy you idiot". its like differentiating between 1000 different species of ants, and calling someone an idiot that says they're all just a bunch of ants because he doesnt study the fuck out of ants all day.

Aw, come on.
I was expressing my own oppinion on things and you start ranting off like a bitch. Since when does people's posts in a forum count as "a rule"?

Calm down, i wasn't offending your parents or anything. No need to get rough. I'll gladly read your oppinion if you use proper arguments for this discussion. Not a bunch of "fuck".

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Originally posted by Magadansky Another one who has absolutely no idea about psy but speaks like he is the father of all genres. Wonder why I don't take drugs on a regular basis but I still like psy trance. By your logic this is impossible...

what constitutes having an idea about psy? if i say its awesome music and doesnt sound all the same, will i qualify? how many psy artist's tracks do i need on my hd? here's an idea you obviously havent clued in yet ... NOT EVERYONE LIKES PSY TRANCE. To these people, it sounds all the same. get over it. Yea i can listen to 1000 psy tracks and differentiate them and categorize them further into sub genres of psy, but at the end of that long painful day, i will still say it all sounds very similiar, much more so than within other genres. its extremely formulaic, just like trance in general.

i hear the same crap from psy trance enthusiasts, they all say you dont need drugs to enjoy it. this is true, this is the same argument from enthusiasts of many other forms of dance music. but i think some types of dance music relies more heavily on being under the influence than others. it gets to the point where music is made specifically to get a reaction when on a certain drug, like it was scientifically designed for a certain drug. there is a lot of rave tracks that, really, you need to be on mdma to appreciate, simply because of the frequencies and patterns used. and there is music really made specifically to get a reaction when on acid, shrooms, 2ci, or anything else that cracks the pineal gland and bridges subconcious with concious. the furthest end of that spectrum would be the classic "acid" genres, then would come goa, and from there elements of mainstreamishness like prog psy, but its still all acid music and it all sounds very similiar and formulaic when you're not tripping. heres some examples of classic acid, which when i played in a psytrance set in the past would get a bigger reaction and blow your mind way more than psytrance would, and shits all over the other youtube examples in this thread (imo):



and

http://www.discogs.com/release/56145

not classic, but my favorite acid track of all time:

"acid planes" on: http://www.discogs.com/release/751474

when you play this stuff, and then play psytrance, psytrance sounds cheesy and watered down, its like "acid light". if we're gonna trip then let's fucking trip goddamn it, lets not pussy foot around with the hippy guitar plucking or orchestral sounds or whatever else layerings on the real "meat" of a trippy track. its like acid techno artists trying to be artistic and make it a legitamit artform rather than just a scientific meditation tool. but make no mistake, this IS drug music specific to trippy drugs and it does all sound similiar when you've never tripped or you're not tripping. if you say otherwise you are just reliving your past trip experiences when you're listening to it sober. and if you want to lie and say you've never tripped before but you enjoy it sober (like goa gil and others) then you're an idiot, and if you actually have never tripped and enjoy it then its just a simple matter of you having shit for brains.

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Originally posted by Whirloop Aw, come on. I was expressing my own oppinion on things and you start ranting off like a bitch. Since when does people's posts in a forum count as "a rule"? Calm down, i wasn't offending your parents or anything. No need to get rough. I'll gladly read your oppinion if you use proper arguments for this discussion. Not a bunch of "fuck".

sorry for the harsh language, its sounds worse than it is. all the nastiness on this board is rubbing off on me.

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Originally posted by stev�sto what constitutes having an idea about psy? if i say its awesome music and doesnt sound all the same, will i qualify? how many psy artist's tracks do i need on my hd? here's an idea you obviously havent clued in yet ... NOT EVERYONE LIKES PSY TRANCE. To these people, it sounds all the same. get over it. Yea i can listen to 1000 psy tracks and differentiate them and categorize them further into sub genres of psy, but at the end of that long painful day, i will still say it all sounds very similiar, much more so than within other genres. its extremely formulaic, just like trance in general. i hear the same crap from psy trance enthusiasts, they all say you dont need drugs to enjoy it. this is true, this is the same argument from enthusiasts of many other forms of dance music. but i think some types of dance music relies more heavily on being under the influence than others. it gets to the point where music is made specifically to get a reaction when on a certain drug, like it was scientifically designed for a certain drug. there is a lot of rave tracks that, really, you need to be on mdma to appreciate, simply because of the frequencies and patterns used. and there is music really made specifically to get a reaction when on acid, shrooms, 2ci, or anything else that cracks the pineal gland and bridges subconcious with concious. the furthest end of that spectrum would be the classic "acid" genres, then would come goa, and from there elements of mainstreamishness like prog psy, but its still all acid music and it all sounds very similiar and formulaic when you're not tripping. heres some examples of classic acid, which when i played in a psytrance set in the past would get a bigger reaction and blow your mind way more than psytrance would, and shits all over the other youtube examples in this thread (imo): and http://www.discogs.com/release/56145 not classic, but my favorite acid track of all time: "acid planes" on: http://www.discogs.com/release/751474 when you play this stuff, and then play psytrance, psytrance sounds cheesy and watered down, its like "acid light". if we're gonna trip then let's fucking trip goddamn it, lets not pussy foot around with the hippy guitar plucking or orchestral sounds or whatever else layerings on the real "meat" of a trippy track. its like acid techno artists trying to be artistic and make it a legitamit artform rather than just a scientific meditation tool. but make no mistake, this IS drug music specific to trippy drugs and it does all sound similiar when you've never tripped or you're not tripping. if you say otherwise you are just reliving your past trip experiences when you're listening to it sober. and if you want to lie and say you've never tripped before but you enjoy it sober (like goa gil and others) then you're an idiot, and if you actually have never tripped and enjoy it then its just a simple matter of you having shit for brains.

using your kind of logic makes all EDM very repetetive. All epic trance sounds more or less the same. Right? IMO psytrance sounds far far more varied than epic trance which atm more or less is concentrated to a few big labels such as Anjunabeats, Armada and Euphonic and the rest are just hordes of wannabe digital-only labels that copies the larger labels. SOUNDS VERY MUCH THE SAME RIGHT?!

And your comments about being under the influence of drugs while listening to psytrance is just laughable. Are you sure you are not a teenager with Limp Bizkit posters and a marijuana cap trying to sound sooo "i know everything about drugz, shroomz, tripz and muzic!!1" Yeaaay!
I've heard that kind of talk by nerds on the school yard when I went to 6th grade so don't give me that bullshit.

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Originally posted by stev�sto what constitutes having an idea about psy? if i say its awesome music and doesnt sound all the same, will i qualify? how many psy artist's tracks do i need on my hd? here's an idea you obviously havent clued in yet ... NOT EVERYONE LIKES PSY TRANCE. To these people, it sounds all the same. get over it. Yea i can listen to 1000 psy tracks and differentiate them and categorize them further into sub genres of psy, but at the end of that long painful day, i will still say it all sounds very similiar, much more so than within other genres. its extremely formulaic, just like trance in general. i hear the same crap from psy trance enthusiasts, they all say you dont need drugs to enjoy it. this is true, this is the same argument from enthusiasts of many other forms of dance music. but i think some types of dance music relies more heavily on being under the influence than others. it gets to the point where music is made specifically to get a reaction when on a certain drug, like it was scientifically designed for a certain drug. there is a lot of rave tracks that, really, you need to be on mdma to appreciate, simply because of the frequencies and patterns used. and there is music really made specifically to get a reaction when on acid, shrooms, 2ci, or anything else that cracks the pineal gland and bridges subconcious with concious. the furthest end of that spectrum would be the classic "acid" genres, then would come goa, and from there elements of mainstreamishness like prog psy, but its still all acid music and it all sounds very similiar and formulaic when you're not tripping. heres some examples of classic acid, which when i played in a psytrance set in the past would get a bigger reaction and blow your mind way more than psytrance would, and shits all over the other youtube examples in this thread (imo):

Basic Channel , so good. I actually never took any hard drugs, but i have to say that the music of Basic Channel (and of the whole Dub Techno genre) is enough to put you in a real TRANCE, seriously. I think that Fluxion is even better in that particular style though. Deep, primitive and ecstatic. Unfortunately i couldn't find any Fluxion tracks in Youtube ( some are trully magnificent) but i found another good dub-techno track that i used to like in the legendary Chain Reaction label.


Scion- "Emerge"









As for psy-trance, i can moderate some modern progpsy and thats it (and this, with huge efforts of self-control and will!). I used to be a huge goa/psy-trance fan when i was 16 in 1997, listening to Astral Projection, Transwave, Etnica, Total Eclipse,Prana, Juno Reactor, MFG and all that stuff, but now that i'm 27, i can't stand even 5 seconds of it, perceiving it as terrible, kitsch, fucked-up music which sounds like a mixture of mickey mouse, star-trek and music from a jewish wedding on mushrooms and coke...thinking of "what was i thinking" when i was 16!?


Just my opinion though!

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Originally posted by stevesto

Who the fuck said that anyone should like psy? I am angry on people like you and mattsanity because you clearly do NOT listen to this genre, yet, you are making judgements based on your limited experience with it. Like Rebel9 said, Israel's Full On does sound the same but that doesn't mean that ALL psy/goa tracks are identical. It's like me saying that electro house sound all the same because there are dozens of clones of Deadmau5 (see what I did there?) and based on that, electro house sucks. Cut it off and leave this thread from your presence.

P.S. The tracks you listed aren't really psy trance, they are techno.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 using your kind of logic makes all EDM very repetetive. All epic trance sounds more or less the same. Right? IMO psytrance sounds far far more varied than epic trance which atm more or less is concentrated to a few big labels such as Anjunabeats, Armada and Euphonic and the rest are just hordes of wannabe digital-only labels that copies the larger labels. SOUNDS VERY MUCH THE SAME RIGHT?! And your comments about being under the influence of drugs while listening to psytrance is just laughable. Are you sure you are not a teenager with Limp Bizkit posters and a marijuana cap trying to sound sooo "i know everything about drugz, shroomz, tripz and muzic!!1" Yeaaay! I've heard that kind of talk by nerds on the school yard when I went to 6th grade so don't give me that bullshit.

Wise words. But I bet he won't listen...

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Originally posted by stev�sto because he doesnt study the fuck out of ants all day.

Then why join an 'ant' thread?

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Originally posted by stev�sto when you play this stuff, and then play psytrance, psytrance sounds cheesy and watered down, its like "acid light". if we're gonna trip then let's fucking trip goddamn it, lets not pussy foot around with the hippy guitar plucking or orchestral sounds or whatever else layerings on the real "meat" of a trippy track. its like acid techno artists trying to be artistic and make it a legitamit artform rather than just a scientific meditation tool. but make no mistake, this IS drug music specific to trippy drugs and it does all sound similiar when you've never tripped or you're not tripping. if you say otherwise you are just reliving your past trip experiences when you're listening to it sober. and if you want to lie and say you've never tripped before but you enjoy it sober (like goa gil and others) then you're an idiot, and if you actually have never tripped and enjoy it then its just a simple matter of you having shit for brains.

I see you agreed with me all along. That video is the stuff i was refering to. No vocals, no complex samples or anything that will draw your attention from the beat. I dunno where you got the drugs-part in my argument, i wasn't including drugs in my post at all.
But i don't agree this music is for "tripping" (if you are refering to hallicugenic stuff), because it makes you numb/tired/bodily passive. It's definitely music for uppers and not downers.

Btw, i love Goa Gil. I listen to his compilations and mixes each morning when i take the bus to work. I'm such a loveable idiot

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Originally posted by Magadansky Another one who has absolutely no idea about psy but speaks like he is the father of all genres. Wonder why I don't take drugs on a regular basis but I still like psy trance. By your logic this is impossible...

He is from Tempa Florida man what else can you expect?

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