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Originally posted by Arbiter Well Justice Stevens is 88, but he's generally regarded as a liberal. Realistically, the Dems need to win the presidency just to avoid falling further behind. Because most of the conservative justices would try with (varying degrees of determination) to put off retirement while we have a democrat in the white house, we'd realistically need to see three consecutive terms of dem presidents to have a solid shot at a liberal majority.

yeah, the west wing kinda brought those kind of considerations to my attention. the high court (our supreme court is merely the highest criminal court) is so rarely used in australia i cant even remember how the appointment system works here.

im not much of a fan of lifetime appointments; i see no problem with extended appointments, like the federal reserve(?).

also, while we're here. should you ever accidentally end up on the supreme court, i want you to do something about the erosion of abortion rights by the states. it all hinges on what can be considered an "unfair impediment" (i forget the actual legalese), and i want you to interpret it really fucking widely. grand canyon wide.

the level and number of requirements that must be met in some of your states is a disgrace.

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Originally posted by PHALPAX Anyone who has any kind of street smarts at all knows that most "bad guys" don't go to a gun shop to pick up a piece, they're bought and sold on the street, so they'll be carrying heat anyway. Also, the cops cannot protect you 24/7 and especially when the police are more or less indifferent towards low income neighborhoods. I own several guns, and my whole neighborhood knows it, and it's a more effective deterrent than any burglar alarm or guard dog.

That's where your thinking is fundamentally flawed. You assume that as the level of legal guns decreases, the level of illegal guns remains the same. It doesn't. As guns become harder to obtain, the level of them drops sharply until you reach a point like in Australia where the chances of someone actually obtaining a gun are very remote. Yes it happens, as illegal firearms will always somehow get through but not to a point where you won't be able to rely on the police for protection but will need your own gun.

Of course there would be a phase out period, but that's normal and it's worked in many other nations. You could do the exact same if only you realised that your lust for guns and irrational fear of being attacked is actually a product of your own "self protection". The reason why you have so many gun related deaths and assaults is directly related to your apparent right to bear arms. If your right was taken away, you would actually be safer, NOT in more danger.

If you want to keep a registered gun in your home for protection, I don't see a problem provided that it is properly stored. Where I do see a problem is CCW.

" but Dave, what if I get mugged at gunpoint? How will I defend myself?"

How? You give the crook whatever he wants. Is your wallet worth your life? What do you think your chances are in a running gun battle? What would you do if a stray shot killed a kid?

Your second amendment clearly states that the right to bear arms is intended for organized militias, not so Bob the florist can walk around with a Roscoe in his belt. What's the debate here?

My prediction is the DC gun laws will go down in flames

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Originally posted by jennypie At least you recognize that my bf has a huge cock.

looked like a nubbin to me

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Originally posted by Arbiter Looking at the oral argument transcript, I'd have to say I expect an unfavorable outcome; most likely 5-4 along partisan lines.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626...Z2YcVuPbfis0NUE

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WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history. The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.

Re: so, arbiter....

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN impress me with your legal acumen

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN your legal acumen

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN acumen

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN a cum en

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN impress me with your legal a'cummin

now thats a gun

/drunk

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS " but Dave, what if I get mugged at gunpoint? How will I defend myself?" How? You give the crook whatever he wants. Is your wallet worth your life? What do you think your chances are in a running gun battle? What would you do if a stray shot killed a kid?

I wish I could say it is that easy to defend yourself. Just last week in a suburb of Dallas, two men looking to rob someone of a car and money approached two men leaving a CHRISTIAN RECORDING STUDIO. After a breaf conversation, the two perps shot both men in the head several times after taking their money.

I used to be in law enforcement. The truth is that bad people with guns can only be deflected more with the idea in their head that maybe, just maybe the person that they are considering targeting may be armed. I carry a weapon in my house. My wife is trained in using a weapon and has her own. I have one in my car. My house was breached about a year ago through the backdoor. When the alarm tripped, my instinct was to grab my side arm and tell my wife to lock the bedroom door behind me. The assailant saw me with my weapon and ran back out the door. No shots were fired. But, if I did not have that weapon (S&W Sig 357 police issue, btw) there is no telling what type of conflict may have ensued. We have not had any other issues since then, and I would like to think that people knowing that I have many weapons in my possession and know how to use them might have something to do with it. The harsh reality is that I live in an upper middle class neighborhood that has an apartment complex directly to the north of it. Two years ago, Katrina refugees started moving in there. The crime rate in the area immediately rose. I know what some of you are going to say here. But let's be real and open our eyes. It probably affected some of you too. So having that element in my neighborhood requires a neutralizer of sorts. Mine of choice is to defend my home and family with the same fire power that could potentially threaten.

It's a very republican view. But once you have been in a situation like this, it will change your thinking as well.

Guns are for fags. Real men stab people.

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Originally posted by jennypie Guns are for fags. Real men stab people.

Fists are more effective.

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Originally posted by Yan Fists are more effective.

Pfffft, neanderthal.

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Originally posted by jonas The truth is that bad people with guns can only be deflected more with the idea in their head that maybe, just maybe the person that they are considering targeting may be armed. I carry a weapon in my house.

There was a thing on Dateline or 20/20 or something like that a few years ago that dealt directly with police shootouts and why criminals get into them. The criminals specifically talked about how they are more afraid of a regular joe with a gun than an armed police officer. Reason being, they know what to expect from a police officer.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel There was a thing on Dateline or 20/20 or something like that a few years ago that dealt directly with police shootouts and why criminals get into them. The criminals specifically talked about how they are more afraid of a regular joe with a gun than an armed police officer. Reason being, they know what to expect from a police officer.

Exactly, studies of convicted felons have shown that about 80% of those polled agreed that a smart criminal always tries to find out first if the victim is armed and 40% have decided at least once not to commit a crime because they thought their victim could possibly be armed. With more and more states passing Castle Doctrine laws criminals will have even more reason to worry about armed victims.

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Originally posted by RJT http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626...Z2YcVuPbfis0NUE

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626..._co/scotus_guns

gotta love yahoo news when i go to check teh email. heh

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Originally posted by XaNaX Exactly, studies of convicted felons have shown that about 80% of those polled agreed that a smart criminal always tries to find out first if the victim is armed and 40% have decided at least once not to commit a crime because they thought their victim could possibly be armed. With more and more states passing Castle Doctrine laws criminals will have even more reason to worry about armed victims.

Exactly. And although I am thoroughly aware of this, over the past year or so, my view on gun control in and of itself is still the same, because controlling them does nothing as we have seen in DC. We either must wholly ban them, or wholly allow them. There can be no middle ground.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Exactly, studies of convicted felons have shown that about 80% of those polled agreed that a smart criminal always tries to find out first if the victim is armed and 40% have decided at least once not to commit a crime because they thought their victim could possibly be armed. With more and more states passing Castle Doctrine laws criminals will have even more reason to worry about armed victims.

This is my point exactly and why I am pro concealed handgun licenses

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Originally posted by jonas This is my point exactly and why I am pro concealed handgun licenses

While I am not against concealed weapons on concept and all that, I am also realistic that there are tons of people that have no business ever touching a gun.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel While I am not against concealed weapons on concept and all that, I am also realistic that there are tons of people that have no business ever touching a gun.

Unfortunately, I agree with you whole heartedly on this point.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel because controlling them does nothing as we have seen in DC.

thoroughly flawed analysis.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN thoroughly flawed analysis.

Not really. When you control the flow of something that can be obtained 15mins away with little to no control, you are effectively making your laws and controls useless. If you ban something, which while it is technically a way to control it is not usually considered when you are talking about legislation to control it, wholly instead of just locally, you are doing much more to curb or eradicate any sort of potential for problems.

I understand that by definition, to ban someting is to control it, but I know that at the very least here, they are treated separately.

And gun control in the US refers to limiting the sale of, not eliminating the sale of, guns.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel something that can be obtained 15mins away

ok, we're on the same page. that wasn't clear in the post i quoted. but yes, youre completely right.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ok, we're on the same page. that wasn't clear in the post i quoted. but yes, youre completely right.

Yeah I am not one of those disillusioned idiots. I used to be a staunch anti-gun-control type, but I have changed my views. I am against the gun control of the type that just limits gun ownership. Either ban it or allow it. I really don't see the need for guns in general anymore here or any majorly developed nation for that matter.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Yeah I am not one of those disillusioned idiots. I used to be a staunch anti-gun-control type, but I have changed my views. I am against the gun control of the type that just limits gun ownership. Either ban it or allow it. I really don't see the need for guns in general anymore here or any majorly developed nation for that matter.

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