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the nobody listens to techno is right.. nobody does listen to techno.. trance is where its at 
moby... wtf?!? all I can say L-O-S-E-R... I havn't ever heard a trance/techno song dissing on that sob
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| Originally posted by apri_peel do you REALLY like trance? i really thought that ppl who are into trance and all that electronic music, of all the people, would understand the diversity of music. you cant judge it as you cannot judge tastes. everyone is different which makes our world a better place. |
), can appreciate ALL types of music and understand their appeal, regardless of whether or not you listen to the genre on a regular basis. I may strongly dislike listening to jazz or country, but I can see the appeal in both.
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| Originally posted by apri_peel do you REALLY like trance? i really thought that ppl who are into trance and all that electronic music, of all the people, would understand the diversity of music. you cant judge it as you cannot judge tastes. everyone is different which makes our world a better place. correction: eminem is a rapper not a popstar. if you know the difference between house and trance, you should be able to tell the difference between nsync and snoop dogg |
I think you guys give Eminem too much credit.
He's nothing more than a poor guy that's been shoved into the spotlight by greedy PR flacks, spin-doctors and fat-cat executives. They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are), they can sell SHITLOADS of albums.
And damned if it doesn't work.
It works for Eminem, it works for punk/ska bands like Blink, it works for Marilyn Manson, it worked for Kurt Cobain, it worked for Mick Jaggar, hell it even worked for Frank Sinatra and James Dean 50-odd years ago. And I imagine it'll keep on working into the future.
Example: for people to take you seriously as a rapper, you need to be a felon. You rap about being behind bars etc, so you need to have done some time, had some charges, something to put on show. Weapons charges?? I'd be surprised if there were any weapons in the first place. Those weapons charges were just a cheap publicity stunt to boost his profile and give him some credibility as a rapper.
It's the same as when Britney has a new single or album coming out. Suddenly a whole heap of Britney stories start appearing. The classic in this case is how she wants to date Prince William. She probably doesn't even know who this Willy guy is, but it's a good story and it gets Britney out into the news. (Personally, I'd love to see those two get married and have Britney Spears as the Queen of England 50 years down the track .. I'd laugh about it everyday
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I should probably point out at this stage that I'm actually a journalist, so I see this sort of thing happening all the time. PR people push "news" at you all the time, offer you exclusives, just so that Eminem or Britney can get on the front cover or the front page or whatever. And I hate it with a passion.
But it's time to return to the point: Eminem's lyrics. Say what you will about them, either way I don't hear them so I don't care. But saying naughty words and politically incorrect things about whoever his writers can think of is only another extension of what I've said above. His PR flacks, media "minders" and other assorted managers push these things into his tracks for the same reason - saying controversial things gets him on the front page of the newspaper. And then having all the do-gooders, concerned parents, bleeding-heart politicians and godbotherers stand up and say "teenagers shouldn't listen to this" only makes said teenagers go out and buy it.
Note that I'm not criticising anyone for this. I used to do the same thing when I was younger - I used to be really into Nirvana, bought all the t-shirts, videos, cds, concert tickets, you name it. Totally bought into the whole thing. Once you get a bit older (and no I'm only 21 before you ask) you start to see through these things.
I suppose at the end of the day, the music industry isn't about music at all. It tends to define who you are as a person. Notice when you're at school, people congregate in groups, and usually those groups are musically aligned. Not always, but it happens too often to be mere coincidence.
When you buy a CD or download a track, you make a statement about yourself as a person. We're all here because we identify ourselves as being trance addicts (duh ). Similarly, people tend to start imitating their favourite musicians. And if you don't believe me, the number of white middle-class 13 year old boys I see here in Australia walking, talking, dressing and acting like Eminem is just frightening. And saddening at the same time.
So I guess my overall point is that music isn't music. It has a whole stigma attached to it. What does this have to do with Eminem? He just demonstrates this more clearly than most people.
EDIT: Apologies for the post length, but I could go on and on about this sort of stuff - I did a whole uni degree about it Seriously though, please try and read all of it. Intelligent replies only plz 
Cheers!
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| Originally posted by webmeister I think you guys give Eminem too much credit. He's nothing more than a poor guy that's been shoved into the spotlight by greedy PR flacks, spin-doctors and fat-cat executives. They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are), they can sell SHITLOADS of albums. And damned if it doesn't work. It works for Eminem, it works for punk/ska bands like Blink, it works for Marilyn Manson, it worked for Kurt Cobain, it worked for Mick Jaggar, hell it even worked for Frank Sinatra and James Dean 50-odd years ago. And I imagine it'll keep on working into the future. Example: for people to take you seriously as a rapper, you need to be a felon. You rap about being behind bars etc, so you need to have done some time, had some charges, something to put on show. Weapons charges?? I'd be surprised if there were any weapons in the first place. Those weapons charges were just a cheap publicity stunt to boost his profile and give him some credibility as a rapper. It's the same as when Britney has a new single or album coming out. Suddenly a whole heap of Britney stories start appearing. The classic in this case is how she wants to date Prince William. She probably doesn't even know who this Willy guy is, but it's a good story and it gets Britney out into the news. (Personally, I'd love to see those two get married and have Britney Spears as the Queen of England 50 years down the track .. I'd laugh about it everyday )I should probably point out at this stage that I'm actually a journalist, so I see this sort of thing happening all the time. PR people push "news" at you all the time, offer you exclusives, just so that Eminem or Britney can get on the front cover or the front page or whatever. And I hate it with a passion. But it's time to return to the point: Eminem's lyrics. Say what you will about them, either way I don't hear them so I don't care. But saying naughty words and politically incorrect things about whoever his writers can think of is only another extension of what I've said above. His PR flacks, media "minders" and other assorted managers push these things into his tracks for the same reason - saying controversial things gets him on the front page of the newspaper. And then having all the do-gooders, concerned parents, bleeding-heart politicians and godbotherers stand up and say "teenagers shouldn't listen to this" only makes said teenagers go out and buy it. Note that I'm not criticising anyone for this. I used to do the same thing when I was younger - I used to be really into Nirvana, bought all the t-shirts, videos, cds, concert tickets, you name it. Totally bought into the whole thing. Once you get a bit older (and no I'm only 21 before you ask) you start to see through these things. I suppose at the end of the day, the music industry isn't about music at all. It tends to define who you are as a person. Notice when you're at school, people congregate in groups, and usually those groups are musically aligned. Not always, but it happens too often to be mere coincidence. When you buy a CD or download a track, you make a statement about yourself as a person. We're all here because we identify ourselves as being trance addicts (duh ). Similarly, people tend to start imitating their favourite musicians. And if you don't believe me, the number of white middle-class 13 year old boys I see here in Australia walking, talking, dressing and acting like Eminem is just frightening. And saddening at the same time.So I guess my overall point is that music isn't music. It has a whole stigma attached to it. What does this have to do with Eminem? He just demonstrates this more clearly than most people. EDIT: Apologies for the post length, but I could go on and on about this sort of stuff - I did a whole uni degree about it Seriously though, please try and read all of it. Intelligent replies only plz Cheers! |
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| Originally posted by webmeister He's nothing more than a poor guy that's been shoved into the spotlight by greedy PR flacks, spin-doctors and fat-cat executives. They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are), they can sell SHITLOADS of albums. It works for Eminem, it works for punk/ska bands like Blink, it works for Marilyn Manson, it worked for Kurt Cobain, it worked for Mick Jaggar, hell it even worked for Frank Sinatra and James Dean 50-odd years ago. And I imagine it'll keep on working into the future. Note that I'm not criticising anyone for this. I used to do the same thing when I was younger - I used to be really into Nirvana, bought all the t-shirts, videos, cds, concert tickets, you name it. Totally bought into the whole thing. Once you get a bit older (and no I'm only 21 before you ask) you start to see through these things. I suppose at the end of the day, the music industry isn't about music at all. It tends to define who you are as a person. Notice when you're at school, people congregate in groups, and usually those groups are musically aligned. Not always, but it happens too often to be mere coincidence. So I guess my overall point is that music isn't music. It has a whole stigma attached to it. What does this have to do with Eminem? He just demonstrates this more clearly than most people. |
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| They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are) |
Controversy and commercial stunts aside,the fact remains that Eminem is a VERY talented rapper.I don't think that there are many MCs out there who could take him out in a battle,and those few who can still haven't delivered the goods album wise.I just wish he could focus more on his music,and less on provoking people."Without Me" production wise sounds like a remix of "Purple Pills".And come on,how can you take a man that tries to diss MOBY by saying that nobody listens to TECHNO seriously??!!I almost started laughing when I heard that.It proves that the only reason he has for saying these things is to provoke people.And since it obviously works,he keeps doing it on this album.
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| Originally posted by webmeister I think you guys give Eminem too much credit. He's nothing more than a poor guy that's been shoved into the spotlight by greedy PR flacks, spin-doctors and fat-cat executives. They know that by selling the "rebel" image to disillusioned teenagers (which I assume most of you are), they can sell SHITLOADS of albums. |
Guys, I wasn't criticising anything.
Re-read my post carefully; I didn't criticise Eminem or say he's a bad rapper because I simply don't know. I don't know a thing about what makes a good rapper.
Nor was I criticising the Beatles or the Stones or anyone else for selling this approach.
I was simply making the point that it's not Eminem himself that drives all the controversy, it's the spin doctors who control him that make up all that stuff.
OK maybe the disillusioned teens comment was out of line, but that was just an observation on most of the people I see listening to Eminem - I guess that's not all of you
Just remember that Eminem isn't rebellion, it's packet-mix rebellion that is packaged up and sold by the very same corporations and authority figures that it's "telling" you to rebel against.
Sorry I'm late for work, will post more thoughtful replies later...
uhh maybe its just what I observe, but most people who listen to eminem, are teenagers, and most of them are didillusioned... end of story
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| Originally posted by inatrance uhh maybe its just what I observe, but most people who listen to eminem, are teenagers, and most of them are didillusioned... end of story |
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| Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one Most of us are disillusioned teenagers? Speak for yourself... the people here are diverse and from a lot of different age groups... the only accurate general statement you can make that will hold true for all of us is that we all love trance music. |
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| Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one If Eminem was only popular because of the controversial content of his lyrics, there wouldn't be any rap music fans. |
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| Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one Like I said earlier, if you can't appreciate rap music, don't jump to the conclusion that he has no talent or is just a product of pop culture. |
i hope he gets sent to prison for something gay and then gets assraped every day
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| Originally posted by dj kinetica dont talk to me about diversity of music with eminem...hey he got some sik beats thats for sure and he can hella flow BUT he needs to put those vocal chords to better use...hes just looking for trouble with this songs...and anyone who listens to eminem knows FOR SURE that his music and "diversity" dont make this world a better place... |
sorry mate but m n m suck ass, I cant see any talent in his dumb lyrics I just hate it! and all rap and R&B stuff as well. 
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo Hahaha... are u serious? Do you know what you're saying? |
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo Everyone has different tastes, but I appreciate a wide variety of different music. His music has no depth... people seem to think he's the next mozart or something? please... |
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| Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one You're not getting my point. People don't listen to rap music because the lyrics are controversial, they listen to it because they appreciate rap music. |
I wonder how many flaming PMs I would get if I set my status to emineMaddict ...
Judging from the responses in this thread, way too many. Honestly, let people have their own opinions on musical tastes and don't yell at them for it. Furthermore, think about what percentage of the population listens to trance, and how many people criticize it. How do you respond when someone says something ignorant like 'Oh, more stupid techno music' or something similar. Just think about that before you go telling people they suck and have bad taste in music because they like rap/hip-hop/etc... Granted, this isn't raPaddict.com or anything, but try to have somewhat of an open mind and grant people their right to opinion without criticizing it.
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo I'd like to believe that, but I don't. You obviously appreciate it, but 99% of the people that do listen to it don't. |
I agree with Webmeister. The guy's got serious talent but has no integrity. He's awesome with his rhyming skills but got no soul. The only rapper that deserves taking the shit and dishing it back is Tupac. Why? It's real-life. He was caught in two violent shootings. He survived the first but the second was fatal. I respect this guy very much for the amount of BS he had to deal with the media and the violence in his short career.
I see emmy can be a positve role-model for the kids but he's wasting his chances. Hopefully, one day he'll wake up to reality and realize what a door-knob he was for selling out.
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| Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar] I agree with Webmeister. The guy's got serious talent but has no integrity. He's awesome with his rhyming skills but got no soul. |
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| Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one But why else would they listen to it if they didn't appreciate it? Keep in mind I'm not talking about Eminem only, but all rap music. |
His album songs are anywhere from above average to horrible, but he can freestyle with the best of 'em. The "techno" comment doesn't bother me at all. I'm almost positive he knows nothing about the entire genre and just needed something to bash Moby about. Cause let's face it Moby can be way too uptight.
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| Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one But why else would they listen to it if they didn't appreciate it? Keep in mind I'm not talking about Eminem only, but all rap music. |
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo Cause its COMMERCIAL |
angst? eheh.. I doubt it. They don't choose the music, the industry chooses for them.. Whatever is considered 'hot' on the menu, they want it.. In your case, that is.
When I was in junior high.. All my friends listened to explicit rap because it became so popular. Me, I didn't like it and found it boring as cardboard.
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| Originally posted by Bondor good question my school consists of about 99% white rich kids they all live in huge houses in the suburbs in the safest sheltered community possible. hip hop and rap was born originally in the ghettoes of major cities in poor conditions as a way to voice... something i forgot, (i just saw a special on this on mtv) hardships, troubles, unjust police, i don�t know. how is it that 90% of the people at my school like rap?? i don�t understand it sure they hear it on the radio all the time, but when dmx raps about blood on his dick from fucking a corps do you think that any of these sheltered rich kids can relate?? i don�t understand how people can like this music for its content. that�s all rap is, content, the beat hardly matters. have you ever listened to rap with out words, i promise that it will be boring and you will want to turn it off after 125 bars of the same thing (hey that�s more repetitive then trance:gsmile (of course there is exception(as there is with everything)) so they don�t appreciate it, they cant relate to the content, and the beat by itself is generally boring. As for emenem, lets publicly and internationally dis our moms for not raising us properly (by the way mom the bmw yeah the new one you gave me needs the oil changed) disillusioned teenagers //edit im not sure that makes any sense *skratchis head goes to bed* |
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