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Originally posted by Fl@k Monkey Bam-O! Right on the nose! Props to you Ryan.. Listen to this man, he knows what his on about.

+1

You have to know when to EQ and when not to. It completely depends on the song, where in the song you mix, how you mix, ect.

sometimes it helps to visualize the freq spectrum. if you notice both tracks have a ton of low end, you know there will be a massive spike in lows, so you eq. watch for stacking of gain in every part and overall of both tracks at once you should do pretty well.

Yeah, you should be able to mix without EQ.
I prefer to look at EQ as more of a creative tool rather than a core mixing skill. Bassline swap over etc. dropping out/in vocals and melodies and even the handling of clashing keys if you choose to go down that route.

However the situation you describe is not related to EQ and sounds to me like more of a beat matching issue. When you have trained your ear and your skill you will find that it just seems to stop happening so definitely keep practicing.

As a side note, be wary of how your music sounds when you make EQ adjustments especially in the higher end as it can make things sound very odd indeed until you get to grips with it. Whilst you will find tweaks to bass frequencies will sound obvious, the high end stuff can sound obviously wrong. In a lot of cases you won�t notice this during your mixing session, but if you are to record them and listen back there will be things that you just didn�t hear.

It is also a really good idea to record as much as possible as it is a great way of becoming more aware of your skill level. It is also a good idea to compare mixes every 6 months or so, as you will find that something you thought sounded awesome at the time can end up sounding pretty shit and makes you wonder why the hell you thought it was so great. It�s natural when you are progressing.

I personally use the EQs a lot but then I have been beat matching for a while now and file I am at a level where I�m not covering anything up.

Practice and find out what works for you is my advice.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Tony Morello it takes many years to master a craft, i've been doing this for over 8 years now and i'm still nowhere near where i want to be

aint that the truth, although where I want to be constantly shifts as I learn more so its probably an unattainable goal to be satisfied with what I'm doing

In all actuality that's the proper mindset to have...

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Here's one I did live at a club with a Rane 2016, with no EQ's at all on the mixer (so I couldn't cheat): Live at Rise Part 10-7-2007, Part 1 (right click, save as...)

got a tracklist? just started listening and i REALLY like what i'm hearing.

Thanks...

grr... can't find one off hand

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Originally posted by skip got a tracklist? just started listening and i REALLY like what i'm hearing.

How do you know if you are spiking different levels? Are there any rules? I guess if both low eqs are on full (12oclock) on "full" volume this would be considered as spiking the level? Should both eqs combined always equal 100%? For example, if the oncoming track is at 25% should you bring the current track down to 75% to avoid spiking?

I know.....I'm a noob.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Thanks... grr... can't find one off hand

if you find the tracklist, then please post it. would love to know some of those tracks.



same goes for Zild's August 2007 Mix. top stuff, would love to get a tracklist of that too.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt How do you know if you are spiking different levels? Are there any rules? I guess if both low eqs are on full (12oclock) on "full" volume this would be considered as spiking the level? Should both eqs combined always equal 100%? For example, if the oncoming track is at 25% should you bring the current track down to 75% to avoid spiking? I know.....I'm a noob.

It helps if you have a Master VU you can look at other than that you have to use your ears. Really what you're trying to accomplish is turning up the song that you are bringing in a little bit while you turn down the song you're taking out a little bit. I usually use the gains for this as I prefer knobs to faders but as you can imagine I sit there for a few minutes gradually turning one up in minute amounts while I turn the other one down at the same time.

Skip. I'll try to find that tracklist hopefully I wrote it out and saved it.

Here it is.

Zidan Style, Chaim & K300 - Bedolff
Chaim - Besides
Chaim - Alvarado
Chaim - Popsky
Guy Gerber & Chaim - Beaches
Guy J - Self Love
Namito & Eyerer - Quipa
Chaim - Under My Skin
Minilogue - Inca
Stephan Bodzin - Treibsand
Marc Romboy & Stephan Bodzin - Callisto

I was just getting started unfortunately CDs don't hold enough space, so I had to make it short.

ok so since people are posting noob questions im gonna ask mine . when i turn the gain to 0 on my mixer i can still hear the track pretty loud on my headphones...is this supposed to happen? or is it just my crap mixer?

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Originally posted by johnson258 ok so since people are posting noob questions im gonna ask mine . when i turn the gain to 0 on my mixer i can still hear the track pretty loud on my headphones...is this supposed to happen? or is it just my crap mixer?

What kind of mixer do you have?

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Originally posted by johnson258 ok so since people are posting noob questions im gonna ask mine . when i turn the gain to 0 on my mixer i can still hear the track pretty loud on my headphones...is this supposed to happen? or is it just my crap mixer?

If i understand you correctly.

The gain on your mixer will determine the volume going out to your speakers.

Your headphones are controlled by a separate gain. So in other words your headphones have their own volume control

Is that what you're asking?

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Originally posted by Zild What kind of mixer do you have?

stanton rm-3s.

@ nelly: when i turn down the gain to 0, i can still hear track blasting from the speakers. what im asking is if turning the gain to 0 is supposed to kill the sound of a track completely. cause my mixer doesnt do that.

thnx

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Originally posted by Zild Skip. I'll try to find that tracklist hopefully I wrote it out and saved it. Here it is. Zidan Style, Chaim & K300 - Bedolff Chaim - Besides Chaim - Alvarado Chaim - Popsky Guy Gerber & Chaim - Beaches Guy J - Self Love Namito & Eyerer - Quipa Chaim - Under My Skin Minilogue - Inca Stephan Bodzin - Treibsand Marc Romboy & Stephan Bodzin - Callisto I was just getting started unfortunately CDs don't hold enough space, so I had to make it short.

thanks. gonna grab a few of those for sure. also gonna grab your other mixes.

If you turn the gain on a channel down there should be no signal. On every mixer I've used if you turn the gain on a channel all the way down you shouldn't hear the song in the headphones even if you have the headphone volume turned all the way up.

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Originally posted by Zild If you turn the gain on a channel down there should be no signal. On every mixer I've used if you turn the gain on a channel all the way down you shouldn't hear the song in the headphones even if you have the headphone volume turned all the way up.

I was thinking faders... woops

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Originally posted by Zild It helps if you have a Master VU you can look at other than that you have to use your ears. Really what you're trying to accomplish is turning up the song that you are bringing in a little bit while you turn down the song you're taking out a little bit. I usually use the gains for this as I prefer knobs to faders but as you can imagine I sit there for a few minutes gradually turning one up in minute amounts while I turn the other one down at the same time. Skip. I'll try to find that tracklist hopefully I wrote it out and saved it. Here it is. Zidan Style, Chaim & K300 - Bedolff Chaim - Besides Chaim - Alvarado Chaim - Popsky Guy Gerber & Chaim - Beaches Guy J - Self Love Namito & Eyerer - Quipa Chaim - Under My Skin Minilogue - Inca Stephan Bodzin - Treibsand Marc Romboy & Stephan Bodzin - Callisto I was just getting started unfortunately CDs don't hold enough space, so I had to make it short.

Yeah, I've noticed that with my mixer I have to bring the levels on the oncoming song pretty high because it seems when I start to drop the levels on the current track, it sounds like the levels drop off way too much and it kills the mix. maybe my mixer sucks, it's the numark dxm06. But i mean should you never have both songs playing together at full levels?

I usually dont touch the gains and mostly use the faders, but I like knobs better too, I think start to use the gains more...

Yeah most mixers aren't linear. Most of their range is at the top of the fader. So you have to learn how to adjust in small amounts. If you have both songs playing together and they're both at full then that will be quite a bit louder than when you drop one out and have just one playing at full.

In a lot of beginner to intermediate DJ mixes you can always tell when a mix starts because you hear it get louder and you hear when it ends because it gets quieter.

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Originally posted by Zild Yeah most mixers aren't linear. Most of their range is at the top of the fader. So you have to learn how to adjust in small amounts. If you have both songs playing together and they're both at full then that will be quite a bit louder than when you drop one out and have just one playing at full. In a lot of beginner to intermediate DJ mixes you can always tell when a mix starts because you hear it get louder and you hear when it ends because it gets quieter.

Got it, thanks. I think I should work on structured volume mixes and relax with the eqs. I've been mixing like this: beatmatching, turn the levels down, bring the upfaders up, then bringing in the track by the eqs soley......I didn't know any better, I thought this was how the pros did it, but then when I recently started to record I realized tha tmost of the mixes sounded like crap

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt It's hit and miss. Luckily I try to record as much of my mixing as possible, so I think I've got a sample of this...I'll edit this post with a link. EDIT: Alright, here's a .wav(Didn't want compression to misconstrue us all )(Only 6-7MB) http://files.filefront.com/exwav/;1...;/fileinfo.html Kicks in around 30 seconds. Songs are Luminary-Amsterdamn(Smith and Pledger remix) and Free Radical-Surreal(En-Motion remix) Both songs used were in CD-quality format. My beatmatching has improved a lot since then...But this still haunts me occasionally, and I'm trying to finish a summer mix 'n such ...Hopefully it's some quick fix. Again, many thanks for the help.

This sounds shit because, 1. you've not managed to beatmatch them properly, and 2. these tracks are significantly out of key with each other. All the EQing in the world won't help if the 2 tracks are this incompatible.

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt It's hit and miss. Luckily I try to record as much of my mixing as possible, so I think I've got a sample of this...I'll edit this post with a link. EDIT: Alright, here's a .wav(Didn't want compression to misconstrue us all )(Only 6-7MB) http://files.filefront.com/exwav/;1...;/fileinfo.html Kicks in around 30 seconds. Songs are Luminary-Amsterdamn(Smith and Pledger remix) and Free Radical-Surreal(En-Motion remix) Both songs used were in CD-quality format. My beatmatching has improved a lot since then...But this still haunts me occasionally, and I'm trying to finish a summer mix 'n such ...Hopefully it's some quick fix. Again, many thanks for the help.

Definately need to sort the beatmatching, it drifts pretty badly here.
Also on the point of the key, yes it does clash quite badly. As Mikey Mike stated, there are too many elements in outgoing track that clash with the incoming bassline.

To make this kind of a mix you should take a look at keys, or if that's not for you then the placement of your mixes. Would actually like to hear more, just one mix is very difficult to get a full idea of what you are doing.

Send me a link in a PM if you prefer, I can give it a listen and give you my feedback.

Cheers
Nem

Heh, this thread is still going?

Also, the mix from which I pulled that sample was me just screwing around and popping in random tracks, nothing too important.

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