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Originally posted by Q5echo what the world wants and what Hezbollah wants are two TOTALLY different things aren't they?

Hizballah wasn't born out of the desire to see the destruction of Israel, like the Palestinian groups. They were born out of the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. Altho Hizballah support the Palestinians goals, you can't lump them together in the same category. If Israel were out of Lebanon, there'd be no point for their existence. The fact is, people from all the different groups in Lebanon see Hizballah as a viable defence against Israel - look at the war in 2006. Israel targeted Lebanon.

I assume that you are under the impression that Hizballah will not stop attacking Israel until they are "destroyed", similar to Hamas' goals. However, since 2000, Hizballah activities against Israel have been very limited. You said that "thousands" of rockets rain down on Israel before and after the war. Altho you say you confused it with Hamas, I still get the impression you believe Israel is under constant attack from Hizballah. I think from 2000 - 2006 there were less than 10 rocket attacks, and I'm not even aware of any since 2006. During the war, of course, Hizballah fired nearly 4,000 rockets in the 35 days...but then Israel had levelled Beirut.

I think you do have to separate Hizballah and Hamas because they were formed for very different reasons under separate circumstances and have different stated goals. While it might be perfectly reasonable to suggest Hizballah would continue in their aggressive policy towards Israel should they withdraw from Shebaa Farms, they'd have a hard time garnering any support from those who traditionally sympathise with their aims when, after all, they would have achieved those aims

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Originally posted by George Smiley Hizballah wasn't born out of the desire to see the destruction of Israel

i honestly made the mistake of confusing the two. i'm aware of the differences.

however, i think its fairly irrelevant today what they were born out of. what they are to Israel today and what they are to Lebanon today has little to do what they are "born out of".

you can't sit here today and tell me after the UN mandated withdrawl of Lebanon that Shebaa Farms is some sort of lynchpin to the stability of relations to the Lebanese Government and the Israeli government and the disarming of Hezbollah.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i honestly made the mistake of confusing the two. i'm aware of the differences. however, i think its fairly irrelevant today what they were born out of. what they are to Israel today and what they are to Lebanon today has little to do what they are "born out of".

I know you honestly confused the two, I just suspect you link them more than I think is helpful to understanding this conflict

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you can't sit here today and tell me after the UN mandated withdrawl of Lebanon that Shebaa Farms is some sort of lynchpin to the stability of relations to the Lebanese Government and the Israeli government and the disarming of Hezbollah.

Shebaa Farms is exactly how you described it earlier - an excuse - it's an excuse for Hizballah, Syria and Iran. It gives legitimacy to their opposition to Israel. I don't think it's necessarily that symbolic or important a region, but it's the only thing that allows these groups to maintain their position. Hizballah has an excuse not to disarm, I say take that excuse away and see what pans out.

I also note you've yet to offer any solutions to the problem...

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Originally posted by George Smiley While it might be perfectly reasonable to suggest Hizballah would continue in their aggressive policy towards Israel should they withdraw from Shebaa Farms, they'd have a hard time garnering any support from those who traditionally sympathise with their aims when, after all, they would have achieved those aims

That argument became so lame ages ago. It just naively fails to recognize the very nature of Islamist terror groups as opposed to any other terrorist organizations in the past anywhere else in the world. The pattern of such groups is identical, the lessons learned similar, and yet apparently something surprinsgly stubborn in the average "Western" mind, let's call it the gullible notion that at the end of the days we are all rationally thinking human beings (aka "humanism"), will twist and turn everything in order to maintain the hope for a peaceful resolution.
Al-Quaida, Hamas, Hizballah, the Iranian mullahs all act the same: They mix their proclamation that Israels needs to vanish from the face (A) of the earth with a list of "realistic" polticals claims (B). That's when many people make the big mistake of "logically" combining these two positions in the following way: "If B becomes irrelevant, then A automatically ceases to exist".

Well, that's the thing, though: WRONG.

The hatred and desire to annihilate the Jewish state is NOT linked with these claims. It's a relgious conviction, not a stance open for negotiation. Listen closely to the speeches of various leaders. Never do they even hint at giving up this belief, no matter what Israel will do. Contrary to IRA/ETA/ you name them, their existence is based on an *ideology*, they do not present an assembley of people with similar poltical goals. They are cults. These cults are feeded on recognition, fame driven by "successful operations" which are measured by how much they destroyed, not how much they actually gained.

Israel made the mistake of trying to comfort them, thinking that responding to these claims will eventually weaked their hatred. The opposite occured again and again (I'm not gonna list everything here, just think of 2000 and 2005, unilateral withdraws on the one hand and an escalation of violence on the other hand...or basically the entire Oslo process in retrospective). Why is it so hard to believe somebody wnats you to die, just bceause you happen to be "you", and he happens to be "him"? Because, whether you like it or not, that's the case here.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant That argument became so lame ages ago. It just naively fails to recognize the very nature of Islamist terror groups as opposed to any other terrorist organizations in the past anywhere else in the world. The pattern of such groups is identical, the lessons learned similar, and yet apparently something surprinsgly stubborn in the average "Western" mind, let's call it the gullible notion that at the end of the days we are all rationally thinking human beings (aka "humanism"), will twist and turn everything in order to maintain the hope for a peaceful resolution. Al-Quaida, Hamas, Hizballah, the Iranian mullahs all act the same: They mix their proclamation that Israels needs to vanish from the face (A) of the earth with a list of "realistic" polticals claims (B). That's when many people make the big mistake of "logically" combining these two positions in the following way: "If B becomes irrelevant, then A automatically ceases to exist". Well, that's the thing, though: WRONG. The hatred and desire to annihilate the Jewish state is NOT linked with these claims. It's a relgious conviction, not a stance open for negotiation. Listen closely to the speeches of various leaders. Never do they even hint at giving up this belief, no matter what Israel will do. Contrary to IRA/ETA/ you name them, their existence is based on an *ideology*, they do not present an assembley of people with similar poltical goals. They are cults. These cults are feeded on recognition, fame driven by "successful operations" which are measured by how much they destroyed, not how much they actually gained. Israel made the mistake of trying to comfort them, thinking that responding to these claims will eventually weaked their hatred. The opposite occured again and again (I'm not gonna list everything here, just think of 2000 and 2005, unilateral withdraws on the one hand and an escalation of violence on the other hand...or basically the entire Oslo process in retrospective). Why is it so hard to believe somebody wnats you to die, just bceause you happen to be "you", and he happens to be "him"? Because, whether you like it or not, that's the case here.

How does that help anything?

You basically parrot the Israeli line, who are themselves dictated to by religious fundamentalists in the settlements

Neither you or Q5echo are capable of trying to understand how this conflict might be resolved. All you care about is the continuation of Israeli aggression and revenge. You make excuses for exactly the same things Hamas/Hizballah do, but you like it when Israel kills cos they're "your side" liek it's some kind of football match

What is your solution to the problem? If you have none, your opinons are pretty worthless...

You didn't address my main point to the slightest. It's not my fault that my perception of reality does not "encourage" a peaceful solution, I wish things were different, but you can't choose, can you. I'm certainly not going to close one eye or hear things differently or forget history just to adjust to an allegedly diplomatic approach. It's not my opniion, it's what I firmly believe to be the case, what can I do about that.

And stop effusing the cliche of Israeli "fundamentalism". Settlers are a tiny minority in population and political influence. Comparing their "power" with the status of religious extremism on the Arab side is deliberate falsification of facts. Three years ago the overwhelming Israeli mainstream was able to effectively take away their homes in the Gaza strip - against their strong will. It was yet another attempt for "land for peace". Yet another failure.

Sometimes there are no solutions. At least nothing short-term. Simple as that.

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Originally posted by George Smiley I know you honestly confused the two, I just suspect you link them more than I think is helpful to understanding this conflict

so english. can make elitism sound so polite

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Originally posted by TranceGiant You didn't address my main point to the slightest. It's not my fault that my perception of reality does not "encourage" a peaceful solution, I wish things were different, but you can't choose, can you. I'm certainly not going to close one eye or hear things differently or forget history just to adjust to an allegedly diplomatic approach. It's not my opniion, it's what I firmly believe to be the case, what can I do about that. And stop effusing the cliche of Israeli "fundamentalism". Settlers are a tiny minority in population and political influence. Comparing their "power" with the status of religious extremism on the Arab side is deliberate falsification of facts. Three years ago the overwhelming Israeli mainstream was able to effectively take away their homes in the Gaza strip - against their strong will. It was yet another attempt for "land for peace". Yet another failure. Sometimes there are no solutions. At least nothing short-term. Simple as that.

You only refuse to believe there are no solutions so you can support Israeli policy...

got me there, damn

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Originally posted by TranceGiant You didn't address my main point to the slightest. It's not my fault that my perception of reality does not "encourage" a peaceful solution, I wish things were different, but you can't choose, can you. I'm certainly not going to close one eye or hear things differently or forget history just to adjust to an allegedly diplomatic approach. It's not my opniion, it's what I firmly believe to be the case, what can I do about that.

That is your opinion dude, it works the same for everybody. What you can do about that, personally yourself, is think of human beings as human beings as opposed to categorical manifestations of various religious / areligious, ethnic, and cultural groupings.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant And stop effusing the cliche of Israeli "fundamentalism". Settlers are a tiny minority in population and political influence. Comparing their "power" with the status of religious extremism on the Arab side is deliberate falsification of facts. Three years ago the overwhelming Israeli mainstream was able to effectively take away their homes in the Gaza strip - against their strong will. It was yet another attempt for "land for peace". Yet another failure.

And what makes you think 'religious' extremists are the norm in the Arab world, or Palestinians in particular?

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Sometimes there are no solutions. At least nothing short-term. Simple as that.

A man I'm sure you detest had a similar view of a group closer to 'home'. That always works out so well doesn't it? The consequences don't need to be rehashed.

Peace.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z And what makes you think 'religious' extremists are the norm in the Arab world, or Palestinians in particular?

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Deviant Ikwanis from the a Palestinian Group Called Hamas teaching children to go and kill yourself which is Forbidden in Islam Instead of Teaching these children about Islam and Tawheed and teaching them the sunnah of RasoulAllah they teach them how to carry a gun. This Group called "Hamas" is a organization which was founded by the Ikwanul Muslimeen which were Group from Egypt and their Most famous Leader is Sayyid Qutb, Qardawi etc. This group is also the head of a country called Sudan in Africa. The Ikwanul Muslimeen are basically a deviant sect of Islam much like the shia they deny that ALlah is above the throne they have the Ashari creed. They also believe that Allah created the Qur'an instead of revealed the Quran, and this statement is Kuffr since the Speech of Allah is not created it's always there Just like how the Power of Allah and the Knowledge of ALlah is always part of Allah and not created. These attributes are always part of Allah and it is from among Allahs names and attribues asma wa sifat, one of the categories of Tawheed. This group called the Ikwanul Muslimeen also believe Music is Halal, and they also have many connections with the Shia Pagan religion and Iran, they allow for the free propagation of the Shia religion in Al Azhar for example and in Sudan and also in Palestine. This group like many of the supporters of this deviant group Like Hamas want to destroy Islam and should be avoided I made this video not to talk down on Palestinians but to warn them that this group is not an Islamic group and has noting to do with Islam, This group is not surving Muslims or Islam but rather want to destroy us Muslims by saying things like Suicide is Halal we should beware of these people including bin laden and other Khwarijeeis who want to destroy our deen. we should try our Best to follow Islam and the sunnah according to how the Salaf practised Islam and not add or delete things from it. We should embrace Salafiyaah insha'Allah and follow Islam how the Salaf practised Islam and not how these village idiots running around do! ---Quran 4:29 O you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly except it be a trade amongst you, by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allah is Most Merciful to you. ---Hadith Qudsi 28: On the authority of Jundub ibn Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: There was amongst those before you a man who had a wound. He was in [such] anguish that he took a knife and made with it a cut in his hand, and the blood did not cease to flow till he died. Allah the Almighty said: My servant has himself forestalled Me; I have forbidden him Paradise. It was related by al-Bukhari. ---Sahih Muslim Book 035, Number 6480: Anas (b. Malik) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying. None of you should make a request for death because of the trouble in which he is involved, but if there is no other help to it, then say: O Allah, keep me alive as long as there is goodness in life for me and bring death to me when there is goodness in death for me. -----Sahih Muslim Book 035, Number 6485: Hammam b. Munabbih said: Abu Huraira narrated to us ahadith from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and out of these one is that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: None amongst you should make a request for death, and do not call for it before it comes, for when any one of you dies, he ceases (to do good) deeds and the life of a believer is not prolonged but for goodness. -----Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 670: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever." ----Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445: Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."

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Originally posted by George Smiley Shebaa Farms is exactly how you described it earlier - an excuse - it's an excuse for Hizballah, Syria and Iran. It gives legitimacy to their opposition to Israel. I don't think it's necessarily that symbolic or important a region, but it's the only thing that allows these groups to maintain their position. Hizballah has an excuse not to disarm, I say take that excuse away and see what pans out.

Israel gives them legitimacy to wage war against Israel. everything else is an excuse that can be easily replaced by another, that includes Shebaa. if Shebaa Farm means that much to them they should honor UN Resolution 1701. that would give incentive to Israel instead of Israel giving the incentive to Hezbollah because you, i, Israel, EVERYONE knows Shaebaa Farms will not stop Hezbollah from waging war...but almost two years later that not gonna happen is it?

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I also note you've yet to offer any solutions to the problem...

1. Full cessation of hostilities.
2. Hezbollah to be disarmed.
3. Full control of Lebanon by the government of Lebanon.
4. No paramilitary forces, including (and implying) Hezbollah, will be south of the Litani River.

...still waiting.

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Originally posted by LazFX

Jesus Christ! Thanks for reminding me again why I stay away from this place (one of them anyways), obviously it was a mistake to check it out. Here's a quite quote from another thread, pointless, yes i know... because it's won't penetrate your skull. Here's a little bit of info for you to keep in mind next time you run in to Hadith based slanders or 'Sahih' Bukhari as being some sort of credible source:

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But just a quick note, Hadith aren't exactly a reliable source for any agrument for or against Islam. The most "authentic" collection regarded highly by many Sunnis (majority of Muslims), is hardly a credible source. The scholar responsible for compiling it, Muhammad ibn Ismail al-Bukhari, for one was born 178 years after Muhammad's death. What is laughably called the "science" governing his methodology of Hadith compliation was basically travelling around the Middle East and inscribing what people claimed to be quotes from the Prophet, passed down via oral tradition, and he supposedly had access to biographies of all the people in the chain of narration. Wow, how incredibly rigerous, credible, and not to mention "scientific" lol. Once Bukhari got done discarding literally tens of thousands (actually it's in the hundred thousands) what he considered to be obvious fabrications and not authentic hadith, the revised version wasn't exactly something he put a lot of stock in eigther. During his travels when he arrived in what is now called Uzbekhistan (just south of Borat's home town lol), the Sultan of Bukhara, Khalid Ibn al-Ahmad Dhuhali, requested a personal meeting with Bukhari. Bukhari opinion of this narrowed down and revised list of hadith was that probably less than 5 % of these were actually authetic and accurate saying of Prophet Muhammad. The Sultan basically asked Bukhari if he could alter some of the hadith. Gee, I wonder where he was going with that? Hmm... let's see, he is a Sultan, he's got all the power he could have in the region, a little bit of alterations to Bukhari's narrowed down list certainly wouldn't hurt in that department. Bukhair refused this request and was subsequently banished, imprisoned, and died a bit over a month later. That should tell you a little something about the authenticity of "Sahih Al-Bukhari." Majority of muslims, virtually all Sunnis, and even Shi'ia, aren't even aware of simple historical facts like this, even so called "Islamic Scholars." The last few years of Bukhari dead are basically glossed over in most Sunni historical texts and most don't even bother offer a biography longer than a few pages on the guy's life.

You are by far the weirdest fucking guy Laz. I've never heard anyone bitch so much about racism / bigotry while being a bigot himself / herself.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You are by far the weirdest fucking guy Laz. I've never heard anyone bitch so much about racism / bigotry while being a bigot himself / herself.

you stated that extremism was not the norm in Palestine

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z And what makes you think 'religious' extremists are the norm in the Arab world, or Palestinians in particular?[

I show a video from the area ....
Shows a cute kid character and a lil girl hosting the show...
talking and singing about killing and suicide...

I also add some txt that seems to give a different POV from a Muslim..on the Pal struggle.....but because of theological differences; I am a racist???

or

is this one of those things that I would not understand cause I am not Muslim???

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Originally posted by LazFX you stated that extremism was not the norm in Palestine

Yes, and you've obviously conducted an extensive tour in Gaza and the West Bank... and lived with both Israeli and Palestinians providing humanitarian aid. Go fuck yourself Laz.

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Originally posted by LazFX I show a video from the area .... Shows a cute kid character and a lil girl hosting the show... talking and singing about killing and suicide... I also add some txt that seems to give a different POV from a Muslim..on the Pal struggle.....but because of theological differences; I am a racist??? or is this one of those things that I would not understand cause I am not Muslim???

First of all, I'm not fucking Palestinian or Israeli. I have no ties to this conflict whatsoever, of any type. You're a fucking retard if you think this is about religion. I'm not a nationalist, religious in any traditional sense at all, nor do I identify with any religious, ethnic, or national group. So no need to superimpose the retarded concepts you (and the vast majority of people) utilize for the sake of identity. I'm beyond all that superficial separatist insecurity driven crap...

�Entiendes "puto" ? �O necesitas m�s informaci�n personal?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yes, and you've obviously conducted an extensive tour in Gaza and the West Bank... and lived with both Israeli and Palestinians providing humanitarian aid. Go fuck yourself Laz. First of all, I'm not fucking Palestinian or Israeli. I have no ties to this conflict whatsoever, of any type. You're a fucking retard if you think this is about religion. I'm not a nationalist, religious in any traditional sense at all, nor do I identify with any religious, ethnic, or national group. So no need to superimpose the retarded concepts you (and the vast majority of people) utilize for the sake of identity. I'm beyond all that superficial separatist insecurity driven crap... �Entiendes "puto" ? �O necesitas m�s informaci�n personal?

RELAX man, it's the internet...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yes, and you've obviously conducted an extensive tour in Gaza and the West Bank... and lived with both Israeli and Palestinians providing humanitarian aid. Go fuck yourself Laz.

and all of this from me just posting a video showing that "extremism" appears kind of the "norm" over there, on kids television no less... and you pull the racial card???

What about that video is racist???
what about the text that I posted along with it, in an attempt to show that not all muslims agree with what is shown on the video....
but this apparently upsets you???


what really bothering you shaolin.... pull up a chair and share

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I agree.Keep in mind that both sides have been capturing soldiers for on both sides for years.Iam just wondering why Isreal decided to go to war against a whole country over two captured soldiers.Also I really want to know what made the Hezbollah to go and capture those two Isreali soldiers.

Because most people are ignorant and fucking stupid, and will buy any bullshit excuse the state or the media gives them as legitimization of policy. Because most people don't give a fuck about anything other than their own material comfort and security. Zionism isn't about a tiny snippet of Mediterranean land, it's far more expansive than that and it won't end with the annihilation of all Palestinians and annexing of their land. Bombing the crap out of Lebanon was a necessary step as is the NeoCon (aka covert Zionist) Iraq War. Most people here probably don't know jack shit about the plans for greater Israel, since they're never really studied any Zionist literature and probably stopped short of where their institutional indoctrination has instructed them to. You can't expect a community of politically correct pussies to understand a thing about the non-politically correct real world. Never underestimate the power of denial, most of the global population lives in it daily. Which is why these you have Obama boners popping out everywhere "save us Messiah O." Fucking pussies.

[EDIT] People are perfectly happy being slaves to their own fears and insecurities and the powers that be. It's been the case since the dawn of time. History always works in a cyclical form, or the evolution and demise of various societies, empires, and states. It's only going to get worse, and it looks like this time around, this point in human history, we're all fucked. Globalism and Corporatism have woven thread of such interdependent submission globally that the ramifications won't be limited to a national or regional scale. It will most likely be a full on global catastrophe. The sooner you realize this and save for a rainy day, the better off you'll be. Especially if you live in North America.

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Originally posted by Krypton RELAX man, it's the internet...

I'm relaxed. I can project a lot of rage in a very controlled fashion.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Because most people are ignorant and fucking stupid, and will buy any bullshit excuse the state or the media gives them as legitimization of policy.

I hate sheeps like that too,and it is useless even trying to talk some sense into them.

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Because most people don't give a fuck about anything other than their own material comfort and security.

This reminds of a quote from a great man in America: "we'll fight them over there so that we dont have to fight them here".

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Zionism isn't about a tiny snippet of Mediterranean land, it's far more expansive than that and it won't end with the annihilation of all Palestinians and annexing of their land. Bombing the crap out of Lebanon was a necessary step as is the NeoCon (aka covert Zionist) Iraq War.

That war ended up achieving nothing for them,it is funny how they thought that they would be able to get rid of Hizbollah all together.Hizbollah is back bigger and better equipped then ever and the only people that paid the price were the ordinary people.

Thinking about that war makes me fuckin angry,I just cant udrestand how over 2 fuckin soldiers an entire country had to get destroyed.

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Most people here probably don't know jack shit about the plans for greater Israel, since they're never really studied any Zionist literature and probably stopped short of where their institutional indoctrination has instructed them to.

This is true and when you try to inform them about it you become a conspiracy Theorist.

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You can't expect a community of politically correct pussies to understand a thing about the non-politically correct real world. Never underestimate the power of denial, most of the global population lives in it daily. Which is why these you have Obama boners popping out everywhere "save us Messiah O." Fucking pussies.

Obama is just another politician saying what it takes to get elected and thats the sad truth but in America things are so bad right now that he is being looked at as their great saviour.

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[EDIT] People are perfectly happy being slaves to their own fears and insecurities and the powers that be. It's been the case since the dawn of time. History always works in a cyclical form, or the evolution and demise of various societies, empires, and states. It's only going to get worse, and it looks like this time around, this point in human history, we're all fucked. Globalism and Corporatism have woven thread of such interdependent submission globally that the ramifications won't be limited to a national or regional scale. It will most likely be a full on global catastrophe. The sooner you realize this and save for a rainy day, the better off you'll be. Especially if you live in North America.

The future isnt looking good at this time,not for this generation at least. It seems since all we think about these days is greed and power and who are we gonna go to war with next week.It is up to the people to change whats happening and fight for those changes.The government has failed the people in the US over and over and I honestly think they will continue to do so untill the American people rise up and choose their own destiny and stop giving all the power to the corporate world.

WOnder Twin Powers ... ACTIVATE!!


you two are so full of shit!

I have agreed with you on several Pal/Is issues in the past.

Z suggests that "extremism" is not the norm in Pal.

I post a video of a "children TV program" that is aired on PAL TV..
with out decrying or anything about the video; You call me racist, ignorant a sheep and so forth....completely ignoring the video that was posted to show an extreme POV that is on TV in that region....thus making it "norm" to the lay man...

but I am a racist??
How do you come to that. How in the world does any SANE AND RATIONAL person come to that?? I posted the vid with out commentary on my part .... but yet... I AM A RACIST???!!??


You still have not told me WHY MY POSTING THAT VIDEO was a racist/ignorant thing.
All you have done is unsuccessfully taken the focus off of the video and tried to shift it on to me by calling me an ignorant racist sheep.

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Originally posted by Q5echo 1. Full cessation of hostilities. 2. Hezbollah to be disarmed. 3. Full control of Lebanon by the government of Lebanon. 4. No paramilitary forces, including (and implying) Hezbollah, will be south of the Litani River.

Lol! You even say yourself that that "solution" will not work, so why even bother repeating it?!

Gonna give us any clues as to how that "solution" will come about?


(It's not actually a "solution", it is an "outcome". The solution is how to achieve that outcome)

LOL, did either one of us say a word about you Laz?

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Originally posted by LazFX WOnder Twin Powers ... ACTIVATE!!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Lol! You even say yourself that that "solution" will not work, so why even bother repeating it?! Gonna give us any clues as to how that "solution" will come about? (It's not actually a "solution", it is an "outcome". The solution is how to achieve that outcome)

those are actually four of the six primary demands of UN Resolution 1701. Israel with help from the Hezbollah prisoner exchange and UN verification of Israel's full withdrawl from Lebanon has met the other two.

my "solution" to the Shebaa problem is that if Shebaa Farms is Hezbollah's "Waterloo", why not put the onus on Israel to release it by honoring the demands of the cease fire?

why not show the world your ability and courage to achieve your goals and honor the cease fire and then appeal to the International community to put pressure on Israel to release Shebaa Farms?

with the current government in Israel in place that is not completely out of the realm of possibility.

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