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Originally posted by Project-K Yeah, I got that feeling while playing through it that, although there was a solid quality to the game, the experience felt a little shallow. I'm not sure if I'm going to bother with sequels.

maybe because the combat system and controls were garbage!

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Originally posted by Rodrico once WoW starts to die out.

i say that blizzard's cash cow has another 4 or 5 years left..

why?

1. new expac WotLK
2. new markets (china etc) expanding
3. no sign of slowing down, 10 million subscribers strong!
4. solid MMORPGs have long lifespans, enduring even console generations. Look at Everquest, it's still being played and that game is not even half the beast that WoW is.

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Originally posted by Porky Look at Everquest, it's still being played and that game is not even half the beast that WoW is.

I'm just asking out of curiosity, but do you have any idea how popular the game still is? Having been available for now 11 years, AND having to experience a sequel being released, that's pretty fucking incredible.

I expect starcraft to still be around in 10 years, and I definitely expect world of warcraft to be around in 10 years. You don't just pull an incredibly atmospheric and acessable mmo out of a hat.

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Originally posted by Porky i say that blizzard's cash cow has another 4 or 5 years left.. why? 1. new expac WotLK 2. new markets (china etc) expanding 3. no sign of slowing down, 10 million subscribers strong! 4. solid MMORPGs have long lifespans, enduring even console generations. Look at Everquest, it's still being played and that game is not even half the beast that WoW is.

I think Wow has some longevity to it, it all depends on what other companies do to take away that market into something better. Everquest was also one of a kind at its beginning, which gave an unfair edge as no one was close to competing on their already massive level at release. Blizzard knew what they were doing and made MMO'ing that much more accesible, entertaining and enjoyable for all gamers.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter I expect starcraft to still be around in 10 years, and I definitely expect world of warcraft to be around in 10 years. You don't just pull an incredibly atmospheric and acessable mmo out of a hat.

I'm not so sure. The thing about both those games is that they're alive now because no game that has come out since has been worthy of replacing them. Starcraft is still selling massive ammounts of copies because no game like starcraft has ever been made since. The only people who can replace them are blizzard. So how long they keep going now will depend on how good blizzard's new series of projects is. If starcraft 2 has the same e-sport potential (or even higher?) than sc, then it will most likely take over the starcraft scene gradually over the next few years. D3 might have a similar effect on WoW, seeing as WoW took over a fair share of the D2 player base.

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Originally posted by RJT That thought makes me sick to my stomach. I'm sure the Mass Effect trilogy will be great as a whole, but I'm still a bit miffed about having to pay $180 to get through it. The first game was about a third of a good RPG with two thirds filler.

Agreed. I liked the game, but it was no KotOr 3. And the best thing about KotOr could be lost with an MMORPG. Getting to decide through choice which side you will take and seeing the galaxy change with your choices. Unless they make it so you don't have to work with others and can play like the old ones, count me out. I enjoyed the series, but refuse to play it as an MMO.

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Originally posted by Project-K I'm not so sure. The thing about both those games is that they're alive now because no game that has come out since has been worthy of replacing them. Starcraft is still selling massive ammounts of copies because no game like starcraft has ever been made since. The only people who can replace them are blizzard. So how long they keep going now will depend on how good blizzard's new series of projects is. If starcraft 2 has the same e-sport potential (or even higher?) than sc, then it will most likely take over the starcraft scene gradually over the next few years. D3 might have a similar effect on WoW, seeing as WoW took over a fair share of the D2 player base.

It also took a large amount of the war3tft custom playerbase. It fucking sucks, there are so many great custom maps for war3tft... and it'd be awesome to be in a decent clan, but people never play for long enough (except maybe dota).

why would you play warcraft when you could play forged alliance? the only thing that WC3 has over FA is system requirements.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN why would you play warcraft when you could play forged alliance? the only thing that WC3 has over FA is system requirements.

fail
did I say war3tft melee? no, totally different things.

When forged alliance has maps like
dota (highly overrated but worth a mention)
jungle troll tribes
heroes and empires
tree tag
village builder
castle builder
island defence
vampirism
warlock 69
werewolf
underworld
life of a peasent
green td
wardraft
castle fight
risk revolution
europa *star*(I think)
and many great others my hungover self can't remember please inform me.

Re: KOTOR goes MMO

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN oooooh, yay. a bunch of dicks running around with lightsabers yelling "owned!"

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you fail at reading comprehension. we hate MMOs; that hardly means we dont like RPGs. especially since most MMOs arent RPGs at all, but merely dungeon looting and XP grinding. no choices, no story, no repercussions for those choices, asides from combat there's no role to be played at all. so really, it is YOU that doesn't like RPGs.

Wow you know I don't post nearly as much as I should on TA, but wherever I am I cannot seem to escape pointless hate from pkcRAISTLIN. No matter where I am I seem to find you on the opposing side of every last issue, and rarely with a solid argument to begin with.

The entire concept of the Mmorpg obviously stems from RPG's and most of the earlier releases offered all of the traits you are referring to or are claiming that Mmo's do not have. In fact as I scan them again I really dont think you have very much experience with mmo's at all and based on your attitude im sure if you do, it is highly unlikely you were able to gain the depth required in any mmo to make such claims, as part of that would require not as much being socially retarded...scratch that actually, im sure you would have been beyond successful in wow.

If bioware sets out to make an Mmo i'm sure it will be quite successful and borrow many of the traits we have come to love from their RPG releases. It is in my opinion, highly unlikely that any plans for another KOTOR release would cease indefinitely over an Mmo version of the franchise. If this assumption is based on WoW and the neglect in regards to the warhammer *cough* I mean warcraft RTS, thats not really valid since their are two major organizations who have taken a franchise to mmo and squaresoft did not cease production on its Rpg series because of FFXI.

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Originally posted by Gridlock The entire concept of the Mmorpg obviously stems from RPG's and most of the earlier releases offered all of the traits you are referring to or are claiming that Mmo's do not have. In fact as I scan them again I really dont think you have very much experience with mmo's at all and based on your attitude im sure if you do, it is highly unlikely you were able to gain the depth required in any mmo to make such claims, as part of that would require not as much being socially retarded...scratch that actually, im sure you would have been beyond successful in wow.

Good point, and for all that wow sucks compared to something like eve on paper, you must admit it is incredibly atmospheric.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid.../208-Eve-Online

MMO anything is a terrible waste of time.

WoW is a terrible game...

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