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I recently bought a Macbook for DJing, which is the first Mac I have used since my Apple II in the early 90's.

I have to say, my opinion is mixed.

The package is put together wonderfully, everything is very sexy, but at the same time incredibly wanky.

"Designed by Apple in California" - yet built by slave labour in China. Who really cares where something was designed?

My main problem with Apple is that they try so hard to sell a lifestyle and image rather than just a great product, though they do have some simple and clever ideas, such as the magnetic power cord and lid latch rather than mechanical catches.

I found the computer very easy to set up and use, and the graphics are worlds better than anything I've ever seen on a PC.

However!

I'm a competent computer user and not prone to fucking up my machine. I've always found that although Windows is slightly harder to use than Mac OS, it is very hard to fuck it up completely - Windows will nearly always warn you if you are doing something stupid.

In the first week of having OSX, I managed to fuck my computer completely by selecting "properties" on the hard drive and setting permissions to "read and write" for everything, simply because some of my files had become locked. There was no warning to tell me this was dangerous.

This caused the notebook to stop booting up and eventually wasted about 6 hours of my time in order to fix. Nothing like that has ever happened to me in my 15 odd years of using Windows.

I think both platforms have their upsides and downsides really. I prefer Windows because that's what I'm used to, but all said and done the two are probably pretty equal.

My next adventure is Linux, I tried to install that a few weeks ago on an old laptop and failed hard - computer not good enough I think.

I suspect I'll eventually find that Linux is better than both Windows and Mac.

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Originally posted by hooknife What is the problem with Vista?!?!?!? Everyone says that Vista sucks but it kicks ass. If you don't like Vista please list the reasons why.

• Hardware (even new) doesn't run well on vista
  
• Security overkill
  
• Lack of drivers
  
• Lack of compatibility
  
• Shite start bar navigation
  
• Resource hogger
  
• Cheap Apple imitation look
  
• Shit graphics performance
  
• Poor functioning power options for laptops

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Hardware (even new) doesn't run well on vista Security overkill Lack of drivers Lack of compatibility Shite start bar navigation Resource hogger Cheap Apple imitation look Shit graphics performance Poor functioning power options for laptops Shall I go on? Vista was only really created as a stand in until Windows 7 is completed. It won't become the industry standard and will eventually be ditched like ME was - On a related note I hear support for XP will be extended vastly, and as such, anyone that opts for Vista over XP is simply an idiot.

I have been using computers since the days of Apple IIEs (25+ years ago) and I consider myself an high level computer user. To say someone is an "idiot" for using Vista over XP is simply silly. Look, the complaints you make about Vista are the complaints you hear from someone that either does not use Vista, used it when it first came out, is trying to run it on hardware that its not designed to run or is a Mac user. I have been using Vista now about about 1 year on a 2.4 Gig quad core with 8 Megs or memory that cost me about $700 and I have had nothing but an enjoyable experience. Say what you want, Vista kicks ass.

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Originally posted by hooknife What is the problem with Vista?!?!?!?

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Originally posted by hooknife I have been using computers since the days of Apple IIEs (25+ years ago) and I consider myself an high level computer user. To say someone is an "idiot" for using Vista over XP is simply silly. Look, the complaints you make about Vista are the complaints you hear from someone that either does not use Vista, used it when it first came out, is trying to run it on hardware that its not designed to run or is a Mac user. I have been using Vista now about about 1 year on a 2.4 Gig quad core with 8 Megs or memory that cost me about $700 and I have had nothing but an enjoyable experience. Say what you want, Vista kicks ass.

I use all 3 (Vista, XP and OSX) and support all 3 on a daily basis. The list I posted comes from personal experience and nothing else so I'm well within my rights to post what I did.

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Originally posted by iammesol

You are by far the most irritating fucking shite that's ever graced this board. Please do the gene pool a favour and proceed to play hide and seek in traffic.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike I use all 3 (Visa, XP and OSX) and support all 3 on a daily basis. The list I posted comes from personal experience and nothing else so I'm well within my rights to post what I did.

I know its "uncool" to like Vista. I just not experiencing all these big issues like everyone else.

Then you've been lucky.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Then you've been lucky.

Maybe, maybe not.

I've had ZERO problems with Vista, it works even much better than tired old XP. I don't get it what people do to make it not work.

ok so im going with the macbook.

i need to run Final Cut and as it turns out that software is not compatible with any of Microsoft operating systems. at this point i have no choice.

Hope you're not running tons of layers. Final Cut is one hefty program that (sometimes) even the MacBook can't handle. I don't think it should be a huge problem, but just make sure you load that bitch with RAM.

Regardless, congrats.

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Originally posted by iammesol Hope you're not running tons of layers. Final Cut is one hefty program that (sometimes) even the MacBook can't handle. I don't think it should be a huge problem, but just make sure you load that bitch with RAM. Regardless, congrats.

final cut express on the macbook btw.
my workplace has a mac pro loaded with 10gb ram and final cut pro.

Vista has improved alot since it's release. Sp1 fixed alot of vista problems. Been using vista and osx tiger and both are great. For the people who said vista is not stable? I had my computer on for a month and it never crashed on me. I rarely use my apple laptop, it's great for what it is, but i find it limited compare to what pc has to offer software wize.


You can also build an pc and have leopard running fine on it, the seem can be done with apple with boot camp.

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Originally posted by In The Lobby final cut express on the macbook btw. my workplace has a mac pro loaded with 10gb ram and final cut pro.

LOL @ 10 GB. Yeah you should be set, mug.

This thread reeks of apple fanboyism.

It's mostly filled with the opposite

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Originally posted by iammesol It's mostly filled with the opposite

lol it reeks of it. 1 fanboi is 1 too many.

mmmk h8er

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Originally posted by Fibonacci macs arent really *that* great. Most of the reason they are reliable isnt because their OS is so stable, its bc it being a minority in the desktop environment means its a minority in the virus/etc-coder scope. And that is slowly changing. [QUOTE]Originally posted by iammesol FFS, why do people keep saying this? There are more people that own Macs than PCs at my university. If there was going to be a zomgmackillervirus it would've already been made!

It's too bad that the people at your university means slightly less than jack shit when I'm talking about MS usage worldwide.

There are tons of viruses for macs, and I'd even go as far to say that mac viruses, though less common, are more destructive than most PC viruses, which tend to be more of a nuisance than anything else.

If anything is FFS its the fact that there are already iphone viruses out there. But wait a sec, I believe you were saying something funny about a topic you clearly aren't that well-informed about.

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Originally posted by iammesol mmmk h8er

I just hate fanbois. They reek of ignorance. As previously mentioned, a pc can be just as stable as a mac as long as you don't have some fucking idiot at the keyboard. If they know what they are doing it is stable as hell. Mine is a great example, and I am sure Mikey Mike and a few others on TA I know are nerdy enough also, will vouch for.

If you love mac fine, but don't use the "stability" and "virus" bullshit. One of the key things to Apples appearance to have more stability is they support 1 set of hardware for each machine. There are no changes nor variations that aren't supported natively. So this leads to less support calls for "driver" issues.

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Originally posted by Fibonacci It's too bad that the people at your university means slightly less than jack shit when I'm talking about MS usage worldwide. There are tons of viruses for macs, and I'd even go as far to say that mac viruses, though less common, are more destructive than most PC viruses, which tend to be more of a nuisance than anything else. If anything is FFS its the fact that there are already iphone viruses out there. But wait a sec, I believe you were saying something funny about a topic you clearly aren't that well-informed about.

Not to mention the reason that the number of mac virus' is low, is MARKET SHARE. A virus writer wants MAXIMUM damage, not 5 people.

Sam, to put this in perspective, should I care to mention the hacker conference that happened recently that the Mac was the FIRST to be hacked in a matter of minutes and Vista was only hacked after 3rd party software was installed? Yes that is right, VISTA is more secure than your precious Mac.

Apple hasn't had to write anything for security in so yeah, it's probably the most vulnerable to viruses if someone really felt like writing one for mac users. Which will probably happen soon given the fact that the mac userbase is growing by the day.

I own a macbook, but by no means do I think it's the best thing ever. If I really took the time to learn and utilize linux I would probably take that over mostly anything any day of the week. I've just had too many problems with Ubuntu and I am wayyyy too lazy to figure it all out. I appreciate linux for what it is and recognize it as about the most stable. I remember hearing about a guy who has a pc running slackware and he hasn't shut it down for the past decade. It's been connected to the internet the entire time and he uses it on a daily basis and nothing has ever crashed and he's never gotten a virus. Keep in mind though, they hardly ever release updates for slackware so the programs are a tad dated at best. But it's about the most stable OS out there and for free.

i dont understand your avatar or your sig

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I just hate fanbois. They reek of ignorance. As previously mentioned, a pc can be just as stable as a mac as long as you don't have some fucking idiot at the keyboard.

From my experience, I wouldn't say 'as stable'. I did work in a mac store for several months and in my time there I would see more crashes within a week than I ever have in my life on any XP system - and that wasn't just on the demos. These weren't user-induced crashes, they were just 'crash for no apparent reason' crashes.

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Originally posted by Fibonacci i dont understand your avatar or your sig

Basically they are both microcosms for the good and the bad in humanity when taken from the perspective of a Kitchenaid blender.

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