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found it (at least for my setup)
slow release, fast decay, soft knee and sidechain
low/high pass both the basslines within their own frequency range and sidechain on the sum of both, this is so cool, even on a dry mix you start to hear accents which aren't there... while still having the "tick in the kick"

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Originally posted by palm as im using reason 4.0 with thor it is very simple to add a third osc in a synth patch which i usualy do know, 1oct lower with sin or triangle waveform. but then i need to look more at sidechaining and eqing too caus these baselines are very often crashing with my kicks.

I almost always do this with my basses but instead of a third osc i use another synth (v-station) an octave lower. I am such a v-station fan boy . I usually have to sidechain the lower bass and sometimes the higher one.

When i am making breaks or drum and bass which is most of the time nowadays i usually have a sub bass between 30Hz-80Hz.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force But why is then that people tell you to cut out the rumble below around 40 Hz? Where is the sub-bass ur talking about located in the freq spectrum?

You pass at 20 Hz, never 40!

The only reason you would cut out 50Hz, or 40Hz, is to remove hum from an electronic instrument like a guitar, and you'd only cut that exactly frequency.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force But isn't sub-bass characterized by that its subsonic and in-audiable? The human ear can hear frequencies all the way down to 20Hz as far as I know.. So if your sub sits in the 25 - 125 range, it isn't actually sub-bass is it?

Some of the most important sounds aren't heard... they're felt.

Well, I dont know if this will help or not, but here is what we normaly do in our productions. We have 3-4 layers on most song. Now, by now ways is this standard on how to do it.

Layer 1:
SubBass - usally a Saw Wave, Sine Wave, or Tri Wave.
Low Cut around 35hz to 40 hz 36db filter.
High Cut around 80-100 hz at 24db filter.
(This also all depends on the sound)
Heavy Compression sidechained to the kick
Bass Amp plugin in logic 8 which adds some nice deepth and warmth to the sound.
Finally, a bit of bitcrusher, or overdrive your prefrence on the sound. What this does is add a bit of harmonics to the sound.
The pattern of the Sub Bass is based on alternating pattern to the mid to high bass.

Layer 2:
Mid Bass - Saw or square wave.
Lowcut - 90hz - 110 hz 24db filter.
High Cut - based on the sound but normaly around 2,000khz 24db filter.
Tight Compression Sidechained with the the kick.
Little bit of bitcrusher.
Slight delay and reverb.

Layer 3:
High Bass - Saw or Square wave.
Lowcut - 150hz - 200 hz 24db filter
High Cut - 10,000khz to 12,000 khz 24 db filter
Very Tight Compression sudechained to the kick
Slight Phaser or Flanger on the sound
Mid to Heavy Delay and Reverb to the sound.
(Sometimes, the Reverb is set on a Bus FX Channel and is sidechained to the kick)

Hope this helps a little.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby You pass at 20 Hz, never 40!

I was under the impression that everything 30hz and below ought to be cut. Is it preferable to cut, alternatively, at 20hz and below? I'd appreciate some clarification here

Normaly, in the mastering phase depending on the master house, and master engineer. They cut around 25hz to 30hz most of the time.

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Originally posted by Nick Cenik I was under the impression that everything 30hz and below ought to be cut. Is it preferable to cut, alternatively, at 20hz and below? I'd appreciate some clarification here

cut 40 hz if u like, with a 12dB filter u will only get 20Hz 12dB lower so its still there just not wrecking the whole mix.

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