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| Originally posted by The Vza Hmmm... I don't know whether to agree or disagree. I know for a fact that drugs go GREAT with EDM. Tripping on Andy's Terrace was amazing and who doesn't enjoy rolling face when Ferry is tearing the decks apart. The thing is, when I got sober (for the most part) and stopped doing drugs (for the most part) I realized that I like EDM just as much. Cause lets be honest here... who does drugs EVERY time they listen to trance, house, minimal, electro, prog, whatever. You couldnt. I mean, I listen to house when I drive, im sober. I listen to minimal when I study, Im sober. I DJ at this bar in Syracuse and spin EDM, and im sober. Its not ALL about drugs. its just that drugs enhance the experience. Can you honestly say that jimi hendricks' music is only for when you are fucked up. or the beatles. or the doors?? I dont think so.. I seem to remember reading something about how PVD signed a contract banning glowsticks from his shows because they promote drug use, and he doesn't think you should have to be on drugs to enjoy his music. That greatly reduces the potential fan base, future and existing. so basically, fuck that, yo. Its not about drugs, its about the LOVE maaaaaaaan. |
mine was 1st day freshman year at college where these 3 shady chinese kids from queens were trying to sell me weed and were like, "yoo, download this song forbidden paradise by tiesto"
I was like, "who the fuck is tiesto?? I listen to rap, nigga"
but in all seriousness, I try and go out as much as possible now, if not more so while NOT doing drugs... because I have more money to play with. Who wouldve thought that I would have to stop dealing drugs to make money... guess that was the addict in me. Although I will say that EDM clicked for me as soon as I rolled, I finally realized why Robert Miles - Children was so ill.
hahahah hilarious! those poor girls, and those saints who introduced you to tiesto... sounds like you keep it real up there, GOOD FOR YOU! 
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| Originally posted by Elyyse hahahah hilarious! those poor girls, and those saints who introduced you to tiesto... sounds like you keep it real up there, GOOD FOR YOU! |
i didn't know what E was when i got into EDM. So that's not the truth. And I rarely get chances to roll face like I used to. But I listen to trance each and every day, all day. In my car, my room, at work. I can't get enough of it. It moves me just the same. Its about everything all coming together. The beauty of the music, can't you hear it? Just listen. And then the hard hits. I love the euphoric trance. I got into the music with songs like The Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia. That's a beautiful song. How about Ferry Corsten - Sublime (Thrillseekers Mix). Ok, so Steve does it for me. Lemon & Einar K have that beautiful sound too. And for my hard beats, i want a nice Cosmic Gate-esque track. How about Tiesto - Everything (Cosmic Gate Remix). That's the track right there. But I listened to EDM years before I knew anything about drugs. Given they do make it all so much more amazing, it immerses you into this blissful sense of being.
EDM may be linked to drugs, but that's not what its about. It is indeed about the love. It's all about the love.
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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 when i stopped doing drugs i still listened, although much less frequently; however, you have to admit, most people's first (and many times fondest) experience with EDM is while on drugs. |
Re: EDM Vs. hiphop/rap who will win
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| Originally posted by infectedskills Hey what going on ta I had a conversation with some gurl at a bar last and we where talking about music and said I listen to edm and she played dumb like what that is and I said trance music, house and all sub genres and she was trying to say that music like that sucked rap music was better she was a white gurl to..... Here what I say put your vote and opinion inabout djs and rapper that can't rap.......... |
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| Originally posted by dxsire i didn't know what E was when i got into EDM. So that's not the truth. And I rarely get chances to roll face like I used to. But I listen to trance each and every day, all day. In my car, my room, at work. I can't get enough of it. It moves me just the same. Its about everything all coming together. The beauty of the music, can't you hear it? Just listen. And then the hard hits. I love the euphoric trance. I got into the music with songs like The Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia. That's a beautiful song. How about Ferry Corsten - Sublime (Thrillseekers Mix). Ok, so Steve does it for me. Lemon & Einar K have that beautiful sound too. And for my hard beats, i want a nice Cosmic Gate-esque track. How about Tiesto - Everything (Cosmic Gate Remix). That's the track right there. But I listened to EDM years before I knew anything about drugs. Given they do make it all so much more amazing, it immerses you into this blissful sense of being. EDM may be linked to drugs, but that's not what its about. It is indeed about the love. It's all about the love. |
i wanna see a faggy minimal dj get slapped the shit outta by like ghostface or someshit..lol
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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 an example of the exception to the norm does not disprove the norm. |
So in response to this drug talk. this summer i saw tiesto, armin, yoji and scott project, hernan cattano, and even the most cracked out mindcontrole WITHOUT taking drugs INCLUDING alcohol. While seeing them sober, I danced harder, photoned harder, and the best part...actually remembered everything. Word up to the VZA...you do not need drugs to enjoy EDM. My first experience of going clubbing was at Pacha, i know what a surpirse, and I did not do drugs. The D in EDM doesn't stand from drugs...get it right.
And about the original reason for the thread. I grew up listening to rap, i am a white kid from the burbs...yea thats right, i was that kid. I used to download all the new mixtapes...i was deep into it. I heard edm for the first time (WITHOUT DRUGS) and was instantly hooked. Jay Z is saying the rap game is stale...and he is right. EDM is the future
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who would win?!?
even with the grown up mclovin geek next to vilalalaloollbos in the glasses 
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| Originally posted by eyebegod Jay Z is saying the rap game is stale...and he is right. EDM is the future |
As far as rap goes (it's only natural I explain), this is my theory as to why people say it "sucks" now as opposed to 10 - 15 years ago.
Back then, when hip hop really started taking off and Nas, 2pac, Biggie, Mobb Deep, etc. were all beginning, their music was being played on the radio. Heavily. These were singles and people were bumping that shit like crazy.
Now, at the same time, there were still underground MCs who were just as good and whose songs sounded very similar to the popular stuff, just not getting the radio play that those other artists were getting.
Fast-forward to now, and you got Soulja Boy and Jim Jones on the radio. If Wu Tang dropped Protect ya Neck now as opposed to in 1993, they would NEVER get as big as they are. Songs like that will not get played on the radio. And MCs like Jay-Z realized this, thus they switched their styles up to appease the masses.
Again, at the same time, there are underground MCs who are great and consistently put out good music. Yet, the sound didn't change. Underground hip hop is still dope. Very dope actually.
You just have to know where to look. And therein lies the problem. While I never gave up on hip hop and continued to search for it, other people gave up and moved on.
But, the funny thing is, you're "searching" for EDM. The shit you like is not mainstream. It's not played on the radio. You have to search for it. You only know about 90% of the DJs you like through trial and error. You download a set or go to a club to see what he sounds like.
Yet you don't do that with hip hop. So it kinda is a double standard to say that hip hop sucks now as opposed to back then. I could just as easily say "trance sucks now as opposed to 1999," but then I'm sure that I just haven't searched for the good stuff like I used to.
I know this is kinda off-topic, but there aren't many hip hop related threads I can post in.
even though you make some good points about having to search for it, you gotta take a history lesson my man...rap didn't start with nas biggie and 2pac...what bout 10 years before that w/ the last poets, afrikaa bombaataa holleren at the zooloo nation, and even (kinda late in teh game) nwa...even though flava flave is a fool...dre and ice cube held it down.
Where i dissagre with you is that it's stale right now cuz it got away from the message. Rap was about rebelling and bringing up the minority and fighting a political fight. It was an art form that unified the masses and worked for a greater good. That was amazing. How can you unify and get behind rappers today talkin bout selling drugs, fucking pigeon heads, and beating up one another. YOU CAN'T and that is why rap is stale, It has moved away from the roots and began to exemplify and celebritize the people staying in the hood.
damn straight noah... eyebegod be knowin bout the rap gods. UUUGH.
im sayin... i know some people that used to listen to EDM like 10 years ago who think trance as a genre is a joke period. They are only down with minimal now. and danny T, jeff mills, josh wink, and laurent garnier. shit like that. and the carl cox style of old.
There are also hip-hop heads that are actually hip-hop heads, not thugs with fitted hats or these kids with tight pants and velcro fruity pebbled bape shoes, I mean hip-hop heads who are bout that musical style of the old days... 80's/early 90's and some styles of today, like the shit taht comes of the Def Jux label.
its like, there are so many self-proclaimed ultimate fans these days that claim to know everything about everything. and that this guy's a sell out and that guy's a poser. I hate all those fucking labels.
I have decided this... from now on I just like music. No particular genre. just any music that is from the heart, has appeal to me, and carries a good message. AND that the person who created it did it not necessarily for the sole purpose of making money, but to get people's heads noddin. Some people might say Lil' John sucks, fuck that, he's nasty. Some people might say that Cascada is some corny pop shit, but if they get people movin and feeling good, whats the problem?? I hate these music purists.
im not calling anyone on TA a music purist. But if my post right here got you mad, then mabye you should think about your values as a fan. Im not talking to anyone specific here, just ranting... and avoiding writing my english paper.
ciao
word...thats it...word
i first started spinning hip hop in college when i bought a set of cheap numark tables from a buddy of mine. probably the first couple hundred records i bought were underground hip hop, or whatever cheap stuff was in the used bin at the record store. for some reason i could never find EDM records, even though i looked. i'd always been interested in the various forms of dance music, but it simply wasn't as available. it took going to the dance record sites online to find good EDM vinyl. lots of people are making money on rap music nowadays, which waters down the quality of the music, by and large. there is plenty of subpar EDM too, but the fact that it's so much more work to find it and hear it makes the DJ that much more important to the EDM community. at the end of the day, it doesn't bother me that EDM isn't mainstream in the US. it does somewhat bother me that its hard to get a banging dancefloor together in charlottesville, but hey, its a small town. i think music goes in the direction of the people, and if people want to act hard (we all love to front in america) then maybe rap is more appealing to the masses. but theres no question about it--if you want a earth shaking, sardine dancefloor PARTY, you better have some EDM on, a DJ worth their salt, and a killer soundsystem. let it stay underground; it's more beautiful there, and less likely to wear out and die.
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let it be known that I'M the mother****** who was freestyling with big mike when sasha and digs came to Webster Hall.. gotta love that house-hop
I think that everyone has it in them to like whatever they are exposed to the most. At some point we all just choose to break away from normal society and take a chance listening to what nobody else was listening to. Society is bulit on what's shown on TV & broadcasted over the radio. Electronic music is neither, & nobody will chance time or money testing it.
If electronic music was never invented we would all be into something else (IE: Rock, Rap, Punk) and would like it just as much.
Let's say there was some plague that kills off every musical artist in the world except for EDM artists. After the plague, only electronic music on the radio. MTV replaced with PVD or AVB. People would then be forced to listen to it, and after time they would learn to love it.
Same thing could happen the other way around. If EDM became non-existant then we all just wouldn't stop listening to music. This site would be called RapAddict and we would all be posting 
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| Originally posted by eyebegod even though you make some good points about having to search for it, you gotta take a history lesson my man...rap didn't start with nas biggie and 2pac...what bout 10 years before that w/ the last poets, afrikaa bombaataa holleren at the zooloo nation, and even (kinda late in teh game) nwa...even though flava flave is a fool...dre and ice cube held it down. |
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| Originally posted by eyebegod Where i dissagre with you is that it's stale right now cuz it got away from the message. Rap was about rebelling and bringing up the minority and fighting a political fight. It was an art form that unified the masses and worked for a greater good. That was amazing. How can you unify and get behind rappers today talkin bout selling drugs, fucking pigeon heads, and beating up one another. YOU CAN'T and that is why rap is stale, It has moved away from the roots and began to exemplify and celebritize the people staying in the hood. |
Wow, this is an awesome thread, i just started catch up on it.
Vza makes some real good points. Overall, people will like what they will like, and not everyone agrees.
In general though, once a musical act gets big and blows up, the people who listened to them originally say that the artist sold out. Meanwhile, the newbs think that the artist is the best thing ever. thats just a cycle of artist-life. I mean, weazy baby was nasty a few years ago w/ his mix tapes, and now he is singing hooks for shawty-lo and t-pain. Same w. 50 cent. Once they blew up, they had a much larger audience to appeal to and try to capatilize on that. AVB and Tiesto were both ranked #1 and they both have dumbed down their sets to appeal to the masses, imo.
I think that the state of rap has changed a lot. It used to be about the rapper and his rhymes and thoughts. Now, its all about the producer and the beats. That is why soulja boy can be a monster on the charts when his rhymes are weak (shit is wizeak!). I mean, timbaland and storch are having beef, swizz beatz made an album, etc. Producers are the ones creating rap music today, not neccessarily the rappers. The other thing is that a lot of the new rap that is coming out is all the same lyrically. I mean, how many times can you talk about your benz, your gucci, the amount of money you make, the amount of drugs you deal, and the amount of people you kill. Back in 90's, this was a new message from the streets (think NWA - Fuck the Police), but now, everyone saying that stuff. I think cats like Lupe Fiasco are the future. He';s got mad skillz, interesting and thought provoking lyrics and good beats.
Again, this is all just my opinion.
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| Originally posted by Shamez214 I never said hip hop "started" then. So you're saying that, since 1993, hip hop has sucked? And, in anycase, you missed the entire point of what I said because there are still artists who are talking about those things. It's just that 50 Cent is what sells these days, not Slum Village. |
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| Originally posted by Greggy4202k Wow, this is an awesome thread, i just started catch up on it. Vza makes some real good points. Overall, people will like what they will like, and not everyone agrees. In general though, once a musical act gets big and blows up, the people who listened to them originally say that the artist sold out. Meanwhile, the newbs think that the artist is the best thing ever. thats just a cycle of artist-life. I mean, weazy baby was nasty a few years ago w/ his mix tapes, and now he is singing hooks for shawty-lo and t-pain. Same w. 50 cent. Once they blew up, they had a much larger audience to appeal to and try to capatilize on that. AVB and Tiesto were both ranked #1 and they both have dumbed down their sets to appeal to the masses, imo. I think that the state of rap has changed a lot. It used to be about the rapper and his rhymes and thoughts. Now, its all about the producer and the beats. That is why soulja boy can be a monster on the charts when his rhymes are weak (shit is wizeak!). I mean, timbaland and storch are having beef, swizz beatz made an album, etc. Producers are the ones creating rap music today, not neccessarily the rappers. The other thing is that a lot of the new rap that is coming out is all the same lyrically. I mean, how many times can you talk about your benz, your gucci, the amount of money you make, the amount of drugs you deal, and the amount of people you kill. Back in 90's, this was a new message from the streets (think NWA - Fuck the Police), but now, everyone saying that stuff. I think cats like Lupe Fiasco are the future. He';s got mad skillz, interesting and thought provoking lyrics and good beats. Again, this is all just my opinion. |
i was pretty heavy into rap in the early-mid 90s. stuff like sauve house records, rap-a-lot, and jive. awww how i miss the days of smokin blunts and jammin ugk in my geo *wipes tear* i guess i like some newer hip hop/rap stuff but its few and far between.
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