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My uncle is a solicitor (soon to qualify as a judge) and is very into his trance music. I'll be interested to see what he has to say on it all.

I should see him within the next week, so I'll let you guys know.

Before we got the internet, I wasn't really into music. Any music, not even cheese. I'd only ever bothered buying a few CDs. When I discovered Napster and then Audiogalaxy, I began to take a real interest in music, and since then I have actually started to buy music. I can't be the only person who has been introduced into music through the internet.

People who leech MP3s and never buy the CDs wouldn't buy the CDs anyway, and too many people are sick of buying albums for �15 to find they only like 2 of the songs. What's wrong with trying before you buy.

I swear, we need to get all the TA's together and go inhabit some obscure little file sharing location where things are limited to trance/electronic music. A guy can dream...

Anyway, basicly it's the major labels (Universal, Sony, WEA, BMG, EMD) that are throwing their fits and causing the RIAA to send out their attack dogs (and by the way, most of these companies operate OUTSIDE of America also, so calm down with all the America hate).

It's true, whatever gets shut down, another takes its place. The unfortunate thing is eventually the RIAA will come up with a steep punishment that will scare prospective sites away. Then again, there's always FTP sharing like in pre-Napster times. Another problem is popularity. Once one of these sites gets popular, they become an instant target for the RIAA. Another thing - record companies like to claim that MP3's are ruining the artist's livlihood, yet they neglect to mention that its generally the profits of the record companies that are suffering, not the artists.

Personally, I think the music industry had this coming. I mean, come on... $20 for a domestic CD? Give me a break. Cassettes stayed around the same price for almost their entire shelflife whereas the price of CD's has doubled. It's good old-fashioned greed. Artists weren't suffering when prices were $10, why should they be suffering so much now? Plus, I really can't sympathize with these big marquee artists who make more in one year than I probably will in my lifetime. And I'm supposed to feel sorry that they only made 2 million this year instead of 2.5? get real. Smaller artists benefit more from the exposure, so it's the big ones causing all the fuss.

Damn wankers! Damn fucking wankers!!

oh no, here we go again... another pointless lawsuit that will drag on for ages and come to no conclusion... sad, RIAA, very sad...

eDonkey, guys! eDonkey!

Take a look at www.sharereactor.com . They release movies, games, apps etc and release them onto the eDonkey filesharing network, which is completely RIAA-proof. They then post links on their site which automatically add the files to your queue. Nothing anyone can do about the site as it is not offering the material.

Somebody set up a similar site for trance, house and breakbeat!

Incidentally... I for one would totally use a service offering single 192kbps downloads at �1 a pop. That sounds like a fair price. But �6 a single is *not* fair on DJs. We never have any money! Record companies are evil.

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Originally posted by Sly One Incidentally... I for one would totally use a service offering single 192kbps downloads at �1 a pop. That sounds like a fair price. But �6 a single is *not* fair on DJs. We never have any money! Record companies are evil.

This is a perfectly viable solution, as a kind of Download-Shop for mp3... it could still function over a P2P network, but with proper reinforcing to make sure all music was high quality etc.

Does anybody have the knowledge of how the price of an average CD single breaks down? I mean, how much goes back to the artist, and how much to publishing, record companies etc.?

Why pay when you can get it for free somewhere else?

The problem is that this is what most people think, wether they want to admit it or not.

This sucks

Oh well time to move om to the next p2p program. THEY WILL NEVER STOP US muhahahah

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Before we got the internet, I wasn't really into music. Any music, not even cheese. I'd only ever bothered buying a few CDs. When I discovered Napster and then Audiogalaxy, I began to take a real interest in music, and since then I have actually started to buy music. I can't be the only person who has been introduced into music through the internet.

hehe I am almost exactly the same! I download a lot of stuff but I can't see them on cds anywhere and I have bought so many cds the last couple of years my mum cracks it at me because she reckons I'm wasting my money! I never had much of an interest in music before either! So you are not alone evil_bastard!

no need to worry

if they do, and they eventually will, shut down AG, we'll just switch over to direct connect seeing as it is the best compared to AG. but i really do like AG and i'd hate to see it go

Ag is the easist program i have ever dloaded with.. hate to see it go

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Originally posted by attacc Why pay when you can get it for free somewhere else?

Indeed, but the point of me asking how the price of a CD breaks down into the parts that go back to an artist/record company/publishing etc. was to find out just how much the "music" really costs.

I mean, if it boiled down that the music itself only costed 50p a go, per single track, then who really cares if a mere 50p guarantees them a high quality, high bitrate mp3, that is perfectly legal?

I have a fear that it may not be just 50p tho... does anybody know?

Cheers,

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Originally posted by mr_smidge Indeed, but the point of me asking how the price of a CD breaks down into the parts that go back to an artist/record company/publishing etc. was to find out just how much the "music" really costs. I mean, if it boiled down that the music itself only costed 50p a go, per single track, then who really cares if a mere 50p guarantees them a high quality, high bitrate mp3, that is perfectly legal? I have a fear that it may not be just 50p tho... does anybody know? Cheers,

I do agree with you actually, because that is the way it should be ideally. The question is if it's possible or realistic, maybe in the future?

Cds are too focking expensive and knowing just a very little bit of the money you pay is going to the artist is frustrating.



Cheers mate!

Mr smidge, a fine reconstruction there (the Space Brothers track). I was all set to do that myself! Thanks!

Busy yerself with Starchildren next

KNOW what pisses me off the most????

is how all these organizations keep closing down P2P sharing sites and acting like we are commiting a huge crime...

BUT....what pisses me off the most is how all the time on the news and in the newspaper thats all u hear about the internet ..how kids get their music off the internet and the poor fucking artists who lives in a 40 million dollar home and some rich record executive who drives a MAserati didnt get pain as much this year....bug fucking deal.....

heres the BIG PISSER...u hear MORE about shutting down P2P sites then u do about stopping all fucking weirdo child molestors who surf the net sharing their KIDDY PORN...

that makes me laugh that all these joke of organizations go after MP3s yet no where near as half go after child porn....

something is wrong there.....is the bank account of some artist or record exec MORE important then protecting are children?????

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Originally posted by tiesto14 KNOW what pisses me off the most???? is how all these organizations keep closing down P2P sharing sites and acting like we are commiting a huge crime... BUT....what pisses me off the most is how all the time on the news and in the newspaper thats all u hear about the internet ..how kids get their music off the internet and the poor fucking artists who lives in a 40 million dollar home and some rich record executive who drives a MAserati didnt get pain as much this year....bug fucking deal..... heres the BIG PISSER...u hear MORE about shutting down P2P sites then u do about stopping all fucking weirdo child molestors who surf the net sharing their KIDDY PORN... that makes me laugh that all these joke of organizations go after MP3s yet no where near as half go after child porn.... something is wrong there.....is the bank account of some artist or record exec MORE important then protecting are children?????

Its called GREED, and unfortunately we have no choice but to accept it.

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What really makes me angry is that it's the RIAA's own fault that nobody wants to pay for music anymore. Firstly, the RIAA and it's Euro counterpart have been price-fixing for years. Consider you can buy a blank cd for 50 cents. They obviously buy in bulk, thus the CD itself probably costs less than 10 cents. Add in a few dollars per CD for shipping, promotion etc, and bingo there's at least $10 profit from every CD.

no shit i totally agree with whoever this was (Sorry cant Remember the guy who said it :P first page ) its bullshit try not fucking making everything so damn fucking expensive and wel suppourt the artist.... fucking how much suppourt does he need the **** probably has someone to clean his ass in the morning! FUCK YOU RIAA!

Re: The greed of RIAA is going to kill obscure trance

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Originally posted by Vesa This news was quite devastating for me because AG has become an essential part of my evenings during the last year Of course, this wasn't a complete surprise. I suspected this could happen sooner or later, but I hoped it would take a couple years longer. Now there's a big panic to get everything worthwhile downloaded before AG closes or blocks 90% of tracks Who knows ... there may never be another file sharing service which has almost all trance tracks. It's so frustrating and ironic that all pop songs and trance hits which the record industry wants to block will still be available on some other p2p service, but the rare tracks will disappear from the public entirely. Besides, this is also going to affect adversely unknown trance producers who now have less opportunity to get their music available to fans. Their music has been getting attention mainly when the tracks have been included on the CD mixes and live sets of underground DJs. Because of limited press size, and little marketing hype, these CDs have been available to only a handful of people in the DJ's own country. But thanks to AG, people elsewhere have been able to obtain copies of tracks and even entire mixes on mp3. Another potential way to get attention have been the features of upcoming producers on trance www sites. But now the site administrators will not be able to learn about unknown promising trance producers through mp3s. So there will be less feature articles on www. I'm afraid this is going to make the trance scene more commercial because only the established producers and big-hype CDs will find their way to to trance fans.

well put.

i would miss SOOOO much trance if AG shuts down.

Re: Re: The greed of RIAA is going to kill obscure trance

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Originally posted by davinox well put. i would miss SOOOO much trance if AG shuts down.

Yeah me too.

Quick everyone download electronic music!!!!

When will they learn that u cant shut down piracy there will always b alternatives to get music

so how long do u think it will take before we lose AG...IF we do?

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Originally posted by Dmatrox Yeah me too. Quick everyone download electronic music!!!!

**runs of to get him self finally a decent cableconnection

damn, I am finally in the stage of getting cable and now some american wankers are gonna shut down AG.. I cry...

and stuff like kazaa: kazaa: only 128 kb/s, I need 192 AT LEAST!

and kazaa is sued at the moment in holland

..I connect with evil_bastard... before the whole mp3 thingy I was totally NOT into any music... only had a couple of cd's... now I am a total trancefreak and love a whole bunch of other styles too...

@tiesto14: I am happy to tell you that I read quite often in the paper that some assholes are arrested for sharing childporn, even more often then when I read shit like shutting down AG

As I say, there are plenty enough people out there to keep the scene flourishing - a new medium may just need to be found. It'll be an arse, but just requires a bit of organisation.

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Originally posted by Stanza I'm deeply shocked about this news AG is by far the no.1 place to find trance and heaps of other obscure stuff. I'm just sick of RIAA terrorising the p2p file sharing networks with their fucking lawsuits and shit !!!

I am f00king pissed about the RIAA terrorizing politicians into implementing laws that will allow the RIAA to sue ISP's and laws, which will restrict your privacy and effectively end all file-sharing.. police state, here we come

thats so fucking sucks dick...................damn bastards can all rot in hell, they are literally stopping people from listening to quality tunes

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