Who's watching the opening ceremony?

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Posted by Kinezi on Aug-08-2008 19:49:

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Originally posted by Lira
Shoving? I didn't say we should all go there and overthrow the government. I'm talking about an influx of ideas that will be difficult to prevent, and I said that was a possibility. Don't mix the modals up: may != will.

Do you really think that these games will have no impact whatsoever? What's wrong with a possible democracy, by the way?

This is probably the best thing that could possibly have happened to China. The communist regime cannot control all these foreigners as if they were ordinary citizens. This may well be the seed of a later democratic revolution thanks to the influx of new ideas. Besides, the Olympic Games tend to be profitable events, and they can't control the market (and the citizens) forever. Beijing is not Berlin 70 years ago.

Nothing is wrong with Democracy.. but what you are suggesting with words like 'communist regime' is that presently China is having some evil governmening system that tortures millions of Chinese.. and these Chinese people who have been living and thriving on its present system has been for past 50 years praying for the overthrow of the 'communist regime'. Well let set something very clear.. Chinese and China have acheived what they are today under this system.. and they like it.. they dont need an influx of ideas.. What would be diffcult to prevent? And prevent from whom? What makes you think that Chinese people want democracy? What makes you think that Iraqies want democracy?

Posted by Lira on Aug-08-2008 20:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Kinezi
Nothing is wrong with Democracy.. but what you are suggesting with words like 'communist regime' is that presently China is having some evil governmening system that tortures millions of Chinese.. and these Chinese people who have been living and thriving on its present system has been for past 50 years praying for the overthrow of the 'communist regime'. Well let set something very clear.. Chinese and China have acheived what they are today under this system.. and they like it.. they dont need an influx of ideas.. What would be diffcult to prevent? And prevent from whom? What makes you think that Chinese people want democracy? What makes you think that Iraqies want democracy?

Wait, what are you talking about? I didn't mention torture... or Iraq, for that matter. I didn't even intend to speak on their behalf, let alone tell what they want. I don't know whether that is how China is presented in the US (and I don't even know if you are in the US), but that's not where I'm coming from.

First of all, foreigners bring new ideas, you like it or not. China has been doing quite well thanks to many ideas imported from abroad, and it's recognised the need to adapt its system, because they can't control everything. But, I wonder how far they can go with such control, because once the scenario becomes too complex, it's virtually impossible to keep track of everything that is going on, let alone manage what is allowed and what isn't.

Did any of these words imply that communism is evil and that democracy is the last bottle of coke in the desert and that without it they're doomed? No, not at all. That just seems to be how the game is played nowadays, and I wonder whether they can keep their rules for much longer.

And, if you really want my opinion about Iraq, I don't think the American army should have even considered the invasion.

Posted by shuni on Aug-08-2008 20:30:

seriously

Posted by Lira on Aug-08-2008 20:47:

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Originally posted by shuni

seriously

Yup, what a pointless thing to do. I don't know why anyone would want to have their ideas criticised and/or work on their debating skills. It's even more stupid to do that on the internet... what kind of losers do research on their arguments and practice their writing?

Pfffttt.... we all know normal people are never wrong anyway, why argue?

Posted by L.E.N. on Aug-09-2008 00:23:

Hasnt aired here yet. Im going to try and watch a lot of the olympics. Its been a long time since Ive followed them from start to finish. I wont see everything but whatever I can catch. I dont have tivo so I will miss some of the odd events that are on early in the day.

Posted by chimera66 on Aug-09-2008 00:39:

watching now and dear god the chinese mean serious business. they took this whole "debut to the world" thing to a new level.

Posted by DigitalPhoenix on Aug-09-2008 00:45:

holy fuck, I give mad props to them...
bendable LCD touch screen?

Skeet, skeet, skeet!

Posted by denys envy on Aug-09-2008 00:46:

I'm checking it out. Very cool so far. Gotta hand it to those communists - they know how to get their shit together!

Posted by L.E.N. on Aug-09-2008 00:47:

Ive heard this is actually a really great opening. Cant wait to see it.

Posted by chimera66 on Aug-09-2008 00:48:

that led screen is SICK!

Posted by Omega_Blue on Aug-09-2008 00:52:

pretty awe inspiring imo.

Posted by denys envy on Aug-09-2008 00:56:

Wow! That last bit with the ppl dressed in green lighting up was immense!

Posted by tubby on Aug-09-2008 01:00:

whatever the view on the politics of China or the IOc, that was still one hell of a show. 2000+ drummers in perfect time.

Posted by denys envy on Aug-09-2008 01:05:

f'ing huge. i almost want them to stop because i have shit to do tonight and i can't stop watching. i haven't even taken a shower! looks like my date is sucking on some sweaty balls tonight (i worked out after work).

great job china!

Posted by chimera66 on Aug-09-2008 01:07:

quote:
Originally posted by tubby
whatever the view on the politics of China or the IOc, that was still one hell of a show. 2000+ drummers in perfect time.

2008 to be precise ...i liked the moving blocks thing and the green light people

Posted by ChemEnhanced on Aug-09-2008 01:08:

for $300,000,000.00 you better get a damn good show...personally, I think the money could have gone to better use.

Posted by chimera66 on Aug-09-2008 01:11:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
for $300,000,000.00 you better get a damn good show...personally, I think the money could have gone to better use.

you could say that about almost every celebration, obviously not to that extent but in the grand scheme of wasting money companies/organizations do it all the time at least this is entertaining and a one time thing...also doesn't that include the costs of both the opening and closing ceremonies?

Posted by Omega_Blue on Aug-09-2008 01:12:

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Originally posted by chimera66
you could say that about almost every celebration

yeah, like jewish weddings for example

Posted by denys envy on Aug-09-2008 01:45:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
for $300,000,000.00 you better get a damn good show...personally, I think the money could have gone to better use.

i dunno where you got your figure from but i just read online it was 123 mil Euro... which is like 170 US probably.

Posted by josh rising on Aug-09-2008 02:25:

didn't catch the opening but i've been watching the parade of nations right from the beginning, starting with greece. these announcers suck, how would it feel to be known as "another caribbean island" or "this is the country where madonna adopted her baby", or nothing at all and just a quick name mention during a montage of countries left out because of commercial breaks.

romania's on right now, my favorite outfits so far. haha.

Posted by denys envy on Aug-09-2008 03:30:

quote:
Originally posted by josh rising
didn't catch the opening but i've been watching the parade of nations right from the beginning, starting with greece. these announcers suck, how would it feel to be known as "another caribbean island" or "this is the country where madonna adopted her baby", or nothing at all and just a quick name mention during a montage of countries left out because of commercial breaks.

romania's on right now, my favorite outfits so far. haha.

well i don't think they just have the time to mention every significant piece of detail about each country through its 20 seconds of passing in front of camera that will be relevant and interesting to americans.

Posted by LeopoldStotch on Aug-09-2008 03:39:

just to note for people who missed Lin Hao

http://freeman-sh.spaces.live.com/b...B466A!677.entry

Posted by BshidoHEAT on Aug-09-2008 03:57:

Fucking incredible man.
I need to see those 2008 drummers. But the part with the neon green suits was incredible.

Posted by ahway26 on Aug-09-2008 04:41:

Im really proud of what China did to impress all the audiences, They sure put up a show.

We, Chinese waited over 100 years for this to happen of course we will be spending some money to show the world that China has come up to another level. For people who say its a waste of money just think it s this way. China was trying to impress the WORLD with the opening and they did it. All the money spend was for all the people that took their time n money to come and see the show.

Traditional Chinese loves to invite friends and family for any gathering, we love to be the host for dinners , parties for people to join and its always the top priorty to let the guest to have fun.

If you understand a little bit about Chinese culture, you would know all these money spend was to please the crowd and give them the best show.

Posted by Mebot on Aug-09-2008 04:58:

I think China should win an Oscar for best Olympic ceremony... or at least nominated for it.

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