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Posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs on Aug-20-2008 03:25:

Posted by RJT on Aug-20-2008 03:28:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
there are some really great ones in clubland, you just have to know where to look.

for instance.

www.systemsbyshorty.com

there are alot of shit ones too.

Oh yeah - I didn't mean they were non-existent at all, just that there is an overwhelming majority of them who are just guys.

Guys who aren't engineering themselves anything other than an overinflated sense of self importance, that is.

Posted by elFreak on Aug-20-2008 03:46:

the good ones tend to bring their own custom components to the ball game.

The shit ones read intstructions from manufacturers.

Posted by RJT on Aug-20-2008 03:58:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
The shit ones read intstructions from manufacturers.

That's if they read anything at all.

Seriously, for every club that really takes their sound seriously, there have to be dozens that are absolute fucking clownshoes.

Posted by elFreak on Aug-20-2008 04:01:

This is changing, although more slowly than in Europe.

Posted by Lunar Phase 7 on Aug-25-2008 11:51:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
It's just as well, Myra and I were just talking tonight about how "Sound Engineer" is the biggest pisstake of a job title in all of clubland.

I've rarely encountered one who had half a clue.

The sound guy at my old job knew his shit big time. Loved talking to him, he was telling me how another local club built all their subs into the stage and dancefloor, only to have a dj blow all of them leaving the whole place without bass whilst they have to rip out the old speakers and build in new ones.

Things are red for a reason if you gotta push things that hard and run them hot for extra volume then the rest of the system needs looking at.

Posted by Storyteller on Aug-25-2008 12:10:

That's exactly the reason why such expensive systems are supposed to have limiters as well, to protect them from idiot dj's

Posted by Allied Nations on Aug-26-2008 06:51:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Angel is still alive?!?

hah! barely!

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Shit, Angel is real legend - and he's your in house engineer? Must sound good, that guy goes waaaaay back and was/is a real pioneer of house.

yeah man, he was back partying in the paradise garage... really solid guy, very fucking smart with the sound! here are a couple flicks of the club's setup when it was being updated a couple months ago:

5x cerwin vega afterburners

4x mid subs designed by angel

8x high mid/tweeter boxes

The strobes on top of the mid subs in front are actually from the paradise garage

Posted by agentdansmith on Aug-27-2008 16:26:

Where should I set my levels on my Xone92 before I get clipping on the recording?

Posted by djxtension on Aug-27-2008 16:30:

quote:
Originally posted by agentdansmith
Where should I set my levels on my Xone92 before I get clipping on the recording?

0 dB. And make sure the recording device doesn't get above that either.

Posted by DJ RANN on Aug-27-2008 19:54:

quote:
Originally posted by djxtension
0 dB. And make sure the recording device doesn't get above that either.

make sure on your recording device that you have a little bit of headroom for when two (or more) tracks are in the mix. Do a quick test by taking the loudest part of one tracks (i.e. the drop or main segment) and looking at the levels on the recording device. Now do the same for two in the mix and make sure on both these tests that you never clip on the recording device - I generally set my gain staging so that I'm always about -1db at max. This means if you need to just put it up slightly more you have a little bit of headrom and you are protecting yourself from clipping, which in the digital domain is not a good thing.

The mixer clipping (not massively just a peak in the red very occasionally), although not great, will not affect your recording quality anywhere near as much as a peak in the recording medium will, so be careful that even if your mixer output peaks/clips in to the red, you still have that little bit of headroom in the recording.

Remember if the recording if not as loud as you would like it (i.e. if you're desperate to have to loudest possible recoding without clipping), you can always make it louder after the recording in a wave editor, which again will protect you from over doing it.

Posted by Tony Morello on Aug-27-2008 20:21:

+1 to rann

i always record my mixes at -4 to -6 db

you can take care of the volume by normalizing, as long as your levels are consistent

Posted by djxtension on Aug-28-2008 16:10:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
make sure on your recording device that you have a little bit of headroom for when two (or more) tracks are in the mix. Do a quick test by taking the loudest part of one tracks (i.e. the drop or main segment) and looking at the levels on the recording device. Now do the same for two in the mix and make sure on both these tests that you never clip on the recording device - I generally set my gain staging so that I'm always about -1db at max. This means if you need to just put it up slightly more you have a little bit of headrom and you are protecting yourself from clipping, which in the digital domain is not a good thing.

The mixer clipping (not massively just a peak in the red very occasionally), although not great, will not affect your recording quality anywhere near as much as a peak in the recording medium will, so be careful that even if your mixer output peaks/clips in to the red, you still have that little bit of headroom in the recording.

Remember if the recording if not as loud as you would like it (i.e. if you're desperate to have to loudest possible recoding without clipping), you can always make it louder after the recording in a wave editor, which again will protect you from over doing it.

Thanks for explaing it a little, i was lazy.

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