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Originally posted by LatinLover I think that Mccain has been soft on Obama. He needs to go out and attack his lack of judgement. It really bothered when Obamas was questioned about abortion and responded that one way to prevent less abortions was to assist young teenagers by afforing them free health care, day care etc.. when that child was born. I really hope that Mccain can use his response to attack him. I mean if you are old enoough to get pregnant and bring a child to this world, you should be old enough to work and provide that child with healthcare, day care, shelter, clothing and food. The notion that if you bring a child to this world and that the federal government is going to provide all the needs for a child from irresponsible people under tax payer expense in just redicolous. That is like saying "ok make babies and dont worry because the federal govt is going to take care of it". If you really want to prevent pregnancies among teenagers, they should be aware that they are going to be responsible in providing them all the needs of the child and that they are not going to get no assistant what so ever from the govt. Let their ass lose their social life so they can work day and night to provide for that child. I mean, its disturbing that most people decide to bring a child to this world without being accountable for the needs of that child. Again, if you dont want americans to have personal accountability you have Obama that is going to take care of you.

That's kind of an idealistic view. In real life, immature kids get themselves pregnant and can't really take care of the baby efficiently. Then they either abort or sacrifice their future and generally do a lousy job of raising kids. I don't think government help with raising kids would noticably increase the number of child or teen pregnancies, as they will still mostly be unwanted in either case. Teens don't avoid getting pregnant because of a lack of money, they avoid it because of the responsibility and time sacrifice it involves. Finances are only a secondary issue. That being said, I don't think Obama's stance on the issue is such a bad idea. Better than having those newborn kids sick and uncared for because of a lack of money.

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Originally posted by LatinLover MisterOpus, Pollster has it Mccain: 169, Obama: 264, Toss up: 105. If you are going to post any information about polls, which you love too, go directly to the source and dont quote a fucking loser.

Actually, Latin, you know well better than anyone that I go directly to the source quite often. I'm a little amused, however, at you cherry-picking one item out of Rich's article, in order to somehow bolster your own point. For Rich, however, that wasn't THE point out of the entire article, rather, it was one of many, and I highlighted all of those in general. I'd be interested in seeing if you could address the rest.

In regards to pollster, I'm completely fine with you quoting the toss-up as well. In nearly every situation since Obama has been the presumptive nominee, Obama has led with the numbers not including the "leaning" states. I do like those leaning states, however, including Ohio, Florida, Missouri, Virginia, Montana, Alaska, and Indiana continuing to trend towards Obama, don't you?

Gosh, Latin, a thread that you actually can't close for once. Take another hit, I'm sure you'll feel better......

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You know people need to start using more common sense so they dont complicate themselves so much.

Knowing the source of this comment actually made my coffee go out my nose. Jesus.

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Yes is nice to look at polls at the moment, but in my opinion the most relevent polls are going to be the ones after labor day, were this race gets really heated up.

So why quote Gallup now like you did, champ?

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Also, in my opinion a convention can make or break a candidate. So its going to be really interesting about how both candidates are able to connect with the american people at the convention.

Yes, the American people need to know more about Bush's third term. Please let us see how John "GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!!!" McCain can connect with the American people. I can't wait......

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Originally posted by LazFX Looks like he is going all out...

The Republicans bitch and complain about "activist judges", except when the judges rule in their favor...

MisterOpus,

You should be ashame of your self for your intellectual dishonesty around here. Listen, for the first time I actually took the time to read an article posted by you, and I found a flat out misleading lie. Note, that was one of the first points. I'm not going to waste my time reading the other points when this man from the get go is being dishonest. So Opus go take your propaganda somewhere else.

Dude you seem to be intellectually disturbed. You failed to get the point why I posted the gallup poll. My point was that Mccain is heading to convention to in GOOD SHAPE. Something that has the Obama campaighn scared to death. From what I heard, MCcain was leading Obama in some poll. My point is: Obama should have been leading Mccain by 7+ or more heading to the convention. As you know, after the convention is were the real battles begins were candidates start jabbing each other. But now the battle is even going into and after the convention. So dont be schocked if Mccain wins the elections becaue everyday that looks more REAL and REAL.

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Originally posted by LatinLover MisterOpus, You should be ashame of your self for your intellectual dishonesty around here.

Coffee just went up my nose again. Cut it out.

For someone who's been banned for their intellectual dishonesty, I'll try somehow to make an attempt to take you more seriously.......

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Listen, for the first time I actually took the time to read an article posted by you,

See above.

Jesus, need I say more?

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and I found a flat out misleading lie.

The quote you cite is neither misleading nor a lie. It states specifically how Obama is ahead in the strong leaning states in either direction. The fact that it doesn't discuss "toss-ups" doesn't help your case, as I explained in detail that followed. Now please tell me how you feel about the current trends in that which I mentioned in Pollster.

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Note, that was one of the first points. I'm not going to waste my time reading the other points when this man from the get go is being dishonest.

Oh c'mon, don't tease us already. Quit being a the little coward that you are and attempt to address his other points. Your continual handwaving and running away is tedious and tiresome, Latin.

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So Opus go take your propaganda somewhere else.

How was it propaganda? Be specific in detail.

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Dude you seem to be intellectually disturbed.

Do you have any other retorts other than saying this same bullshit with those who disagree with your warped view?

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You failed to get the point why I posted the gallup poll. My point was that Mccain is heading to convention to in GOOD SHAPE.

(Pssst, take a look at Gallup again: http://www.gallup.com/poll/109639/G...-McCain-43.aspx)

Anyone thinking this race wasn't going to be close at some point or another is smoking shit, which in your pothead case seems to be quite close to the mark.

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Something that has the Obama campaighn scared to death.

Do you have any credible information that lends credence to this claim? I'm guessing not, but it's always fun listening to your amateur idle speculation.

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From what I heard, MCcain was leading Obama in some poll.

Yes, the notorious outlier Zogby/Reuters. It has a well-known history of being the outlier of all the polls, so that's not terribly surprising, nor is it surprising for the race to be tightening up. The only person that is seemingly so gosh darn flabbergasted by this is you.

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My point is: Obama should have been leading Mccain by 7+ or more heading to the convention.

Why? For what reason? Please be specific and give sources to support your answer.

And by the way, you're not very quick at catching your own little contradiction:

1. First you cite Gallup to demonstrate how surprised we all should be at how close this race is.

2. Then you tell us that polls don't mean much until after Labor Day, so we shouldn't pay attention to them much.

3. I call you on this

4. Then you tell me that the only reason you cite them is to tell me how close the race is

5. And then you say the following, yet again:

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As you know, after the convention is were the real battles begins were candidates start jabbing each other.

God, someone please stop the flow of stupid. IT BURNS MY EYES!!!!!!

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But now the battle is even going into and after the convention. So dont be schocked if Mccain wins the elections becaue everyday that looks more REAL and REAL.

Like I've said many times before, I looooove it when you neocons make predictions like this, because they seemingly come true so gosh darn often....

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I think that Mccain has been soft on Obama. He needs to go out and attack his lack of judgement. It really bothered when Obamas was questioned about abortion and responded that one way to prevent less abortions was to assist young teenagers by afforing them free health care, day care etc.. when that child was born.

that's obviously a positive instead of a negative unless you're some type of nutjob

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