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Originally posted by Zild Ask May himself. He will tell you he was creating house music it just ended up being given a different label.

Whether or not he set out to create something different or the same is irrelevant.

To my ears the original Strings Of Life sounds vastly different to all the house tracks I know from the mid 80's and early 90's.

May's right I assume; he was the one pioneering a scene at a time when I was still pissing the bed, but my ears still tell me different.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I disagree, I see it as fundmentally different to the house music I know from that era, although it obviously drew huge influence from it.

To be quite honest, it sounds considerably more like house than a lot of classic house records do.

If you played Sleezy D's "I've Lost Control" to people who didn't know who made it and where it was made, I'll bet most of them today would call it techno.

At that point in time house pretty much was anything with a four to the floor kick, and it was anything from soulful vocals (Salsoul Orchestra) to a dirty 303 (Phuture - Acid Trax).

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Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs because it has melody. techno doesn't have melodies, duh!

ever listen to guy gerber?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If you played Sleezy D's "I've Lost Control" to people who didn't know who made it and where it was made, I'll bet most of them today would call it techno.

Or this... http://www.discogs.com/release/77643

So far ahead of its time.

I don't know, I guess it's all subtleties and hair splitting.

See, I would consider DJ Spen presents DJ Technics - Gabryelle as straight house music, even though it uses a very similar sound to the original Strings Of Life and has a similar structure, and I'd also consider the Strings Of Life remake by Soul Central very housey too.

I don't know why the original seems techno-ey to me, I think it's the more futuristic/spacey feel it has, coupled with less percussion, while I tend to see house as grittier and more rhythmic, using more traditional instruments where techno strives to sound synthesised.

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Originally posted by bigsnail ever listen to guy gerber?

Gerber makes minimal/tech house according to Juno.co.uk

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Originally posted by Guest Gerber makes minimal/tech house according to Juno.co.uk

Oh well thank God.

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Originally posted by bas Oh well thank God.

you dont trust Juno to guide you?

i'm guided by the spirit of the majestic unicorn

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Originally posted by Guest Gerber makes minimal/tech house according to Juno.co.uk

hmmm...if you want to go by what dl sites tell you then you should also check beatport b/c they say guy gerber has several techno tracks

jus saying

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Originally posted by Guest you dont trust Juno to guide you?

Only on the 31st of the month during the winter solstice. Or summer solstice...I forget which one.

Term "techno" become quite controversial...

mp3 stores like Beatport tend to label a pretty much everything as techno...and they are soo damn wrong, imo.

imo, techno is music produced generally in 2001-2004 by Adam Beyer, Joel Mull, Ben Sims, Samuel L Session, Bryan Zentz, Jel Ford, etc... before "minimal" was not so popular

Wow they only produced techno for 3 years?

I am talking about that kind of sound which was very popular back then, and had its peak during those years. Of course it was produced years before, but, imho, never had that popularity like 2001-2004..

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Originally posted by mphreak imo, techno is music produced generally in 2001-2004 by Adam Beyer, Joel Mull, Ben Sims, Samuel L Session, Bryan Zentz, Jel Ford, etc... before "minimal" was not so popular

You just extended the life of this thread by double or triple!!

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Originally posted by mphreak Term "techno" become quite controversial... mp3 stores like Beatport tend to label a pretty much everything as techno...and they are soo damn wrong, imo. imo, techno is music produced generally in 2001-2004 by Adam Beyer, Joel Mull, Ben Sims, Samuel L Session, Bryan Zentz, Jel Ford, etc... before "minimal" was not so popular

Don't forget Chris Liebing, Mauro Picotto, and Carl Cox

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Originally posted by mphreak Term "techno" become quite controversial... mp3 stores like Beatport tend to label a pretty much everything as techno...and they are soo damn wrong, imo. imo, techno is music produced generally in 2001-2004 by Adam Beyer, Joel Mull, Ben Sims, Samuel L Session, Bryan Zentz, Jel Ford, etc... before "minimal" was not so popular

would you consider Guy Gerber - Late Bloomers techno?

im asking b/c it seems like theres such a grey area w/ edm these days. specially the whole minialtechyhouseish sounding stuff

and what about guys like joey beltram and frankie bones...they were doing techno waaaay before 01?

Jel Ford, Joel Mull, Ben Sims, Mauro Picotto, Umek, Valentino Kanzyani, Marco Bailey, Liebing, Dave Clarke, Technasia, Kowalski, Bas Mooy, Ben Long, Cristian Varela, etc...

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Originally posted by bigsnail would you consider Guy Gerber - Late Bloomers techno?

Nop, for me it is tech house with "minimal" influnce.

Btw, as I said I haven't stated that there was no techno before 2000... There were plenty of great producers...Detroit trio, Beltram, Hawtin, Garnier...etc-

cool, just curious

I like where this is going. This topic is important.

Where do we draw the lines between genres? How important is genre-ization to the global economy, particularly in the eastern sectors which have grown exponentially in the past 2 decades?

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Originally posted by bigsnail and what about guys like joey beltram and frankie bones...they were doing techno waaaay before 01?

Does all techno have to sound the same? Why does it have to be so definitive?

Techno is a lot more varied than the 2001-2004 sound would lead you to believe. Actually I think Techno as its own genre is bullshit. It is all House music if you ask me.

CAN YOU REALLY GO WRONG CALLING SOMETHING TECHNO?

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