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I see tonnes of sick people every day (Radiotherapy department) and its not uncommon to hear of patients just not turning up for treatment because they've died, or for RIP to appear in the patient notes. So I see a lot of it but dont really think much of it.

Yeha, I'll cease to be when I die. An afterlife? Nah, not anything we could comprehend anyway. All religons have it wrong, I can guarantee that, but I dont know what/if there'll be anything after death. I guess we cant remember or perceive anything from before we are born, so it'd be like that. And we never remember the moment we fall asleep, so it might be similar to that.

After all, Im not going to be the first person in the world to die when I go. Its nothing special.

If anything, reincarnation is probably the most likely - nature as we know it doesnt waste ANYTHING, so a ton of new 'souls' being created every second and a ton of souls 'dieing' every second sounds like its against nature. Why not recycle the 'souls'???

Why so serious?

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Originally posted by denys envy Why so serious?

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Originally posted by THE_Chris I see tonnes of sick people every day (Radiotherapy department) and its not uncommon to hear of patients just not turning up for treatment because they've died, or for RIP to appear in the patient notes. So I see a lot of it but dont really think much of it. Yeha, I'll cease to be when I die. An afterlife? Nah, not anything we could comprehend anyway. All religons have it wrong, I can guarantee that, but I dont know what/if there'll be anything after death. I guess we cant remember or perceive anything from before we are born, so it'd be like that. And we never remember the moment we fall asleep, so it might be similar to that. After all, Im not going to be the first person in the world to die when I go. Its nothing special. If anything, reincarnation is probably the most likely - nature as we know it doesnt waste ANYTHING, so a ton of new 'souls' being created every second and a ton of souls 'dieing' every second sounds like its against nature. Why not recycle the 'souls'???

Where do the new souls come from ya know since there are a lot more people being born than there are dying.

as someone who doesn't forsee having a family or even growing old, it is something I think about a bit. I'd rather die in my 30s doing something I really enjoyed than get old & die from natural causes, especially when I see nothing to live for in the longevity sense. For this reason, I also have a DNR in my medical records, if my body gives up, let it be. People think I'm mad but I see no reason to come 'back' as whatever is after our lives, nothing, afterlive, recreation, can happen whenever it's time.

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Originally posted by THE_Chris After all, Im not going to be the first person in the world to die when I go. Its nothing special.

I often tell myself that

There's no such thing as the afterlife and anyone who can't accept that is just scared of dying.

edit: that's why the idea of the afterlife is so widespread - because 99.9% of people are pussies (aka "survival instinct").

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Originally posted by Ian as someone who doesn't forsee having a family or even growing old

Why do you say that?

I listened to a lot of biggie smalls growing up, so i am not afraid of death and realize its potential earning power.

kick in da door waving tha 44...

lol, humans.

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Originally posted by Ian as someone who doesn't forsee having a family or even growing old, it is something I think about a bit. I'd rather die in my 30s doing something I really enjoyed than get old & die from natural causes, especially when I see nothing to live for in the longevity sense. For this reason, I also have a DNR in my medical records, if my body gives up, let it be. People think I'm mad but I see no reason to come 'back' as whatever is after our lives, nothing, afterlive, recreation, can happen whenever it's time.

I beg to differ, but that's why people are people (insert Depeche Mode joke here)
You've already given up your hopes of longevity by foreseeing not having a family.
The power of proclamation & thought is stronger than you think.
You are only as strong in life, as you proclaim yourself to be.


*I feel like an optimistic treehugger saying that

"CONSCIOUS DEATH

Apart from dreamless sleep, which I mentioned already, there is one other involuntary portal. It opens up briefly at the time of physical death. Even if you have missed all the other opportunities for spiritual realization during your life time, one last portal will open up for you immediately after the body has died.

There are countless accounts by people who had a visual impression of this portal as radiant light and then returned from what is commonly known as a near-death experience. Many of them also spoke of a sense of blissful serenity and deep peace. In the Tibetan Book of the Death, it is described as "the luminous splendor of the colorless light of Emptiness," which it says is "your own true self." This portal opens up only very briefly, and unless you have already encountered the dimension of the Unimanifested in your lifetime, you will likely miss it. Most people carry too much residual resistance, too much fear, too much attachment to sensory experience, too much identification with the manifested world. So they see the portal, turn away in fear, and then lose consciousness. Most of what happens after that is involuntary and automatic. Eventually, there will be another round of birth and death. Their presence wasn't strong enough yet for conscious immortality."

Your life after death will be exactly what it was before you were born.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Your life after death will be exactly what it was before you were born.

How do you know that?

Here's the deal.
The thing that's scared of dying and death is your ego.
By nature, the ego wants only one thing, and that's form and material.

Death takes that all away.

Which is precisely why people have these enlightening near-death experiences.

It's at that time that they TRULY realize nothing material in this world matters and are free from all mental bounds.

I'd venture to guess that people who are more controlled by their ego feel the release of it more strongly and thusly have a more emotional/changing near-death experience.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles How do you know that?

Common sense.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Common sense.

If it is "common sense," why do most people believe otherwise?

Think of all the people that have died and been brought back. Asides from the 'white light' they have nothing worthwhile to tell us. My sister was telling me about a recent study that presented an argument for the physiological reasons for the 'white light' too. Something to do with the state of your brain as you go through death. Havent read it myself though...

imo enough people have died and reported to us that there's fuck all after death.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles If it is "common sense," why do most people believe otherwise?

brainwashing? a desperate need to believe? inability to cope with the unfathomable concept of not existing? lack of common sense? the reasons are endless

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN imo enough people have died and reported to us that there's fuck all after death.

Perhaps the Good Lord decided that it was not their time and took them back before they could see much?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Perhaps the Good Lord decided that it was not their time and took them back before they could see much?

Hahaha. Yeah, couldn�t have any messages from beyond that might stop us murdering and killing and torturing each other. That just wouldn't be on!

But seriously, I am more than a little surprised that people don't just make shit up after being brought back to life, starting their own new church and fleecing people with the good word of the lord. Who am I kidding? Someone MUST have done this.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Your life after death will be exactly what it was before you were born.

What, floating around in a fluid filled sac inside of another being, waiting to see if your penis has popped out yet?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN My sister was telling me about a recent study that presented an argument for the physiological reasons for the 'white light' too.

DMT, which is pretty much the most powerful hallucinogenic drug known to man, actually exists naturally in the brain.

Many people taking DMT report "white light" experiences, and it is therefore theorised that near-death experiences involve a natural release of the drug.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog What, floating around in a fluid filled sac inside of another being, waiting to see if your penis has popped out yet?

ok ok. before you were conceived mr pedant!!

Deliriants (like atropine or diphenhydramine) are more powerful than DMT or acid or anything else really. Of course, you have a reasonably high chance of dying or being hospitalized from taking them, which is why most people choose not to.



I had heard that ketamine could also induce "near-death" type experiences via NMDA blockade.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Common sense.

Common sense is the reason people believed the earth was flat.

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Originally posted by Krypton Common sense is the reason people believed the earth was flat.

you really need a course or two in logic.

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