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Originally posted by VERTiG0 $1700 for that? Holy FUCK you got hosed mate Also Diginut you're kinda dumb for saying that overclocking is "not worth it." It is VERY much worth it. Why wouldn't you get the extra speed if you can? I bought my current CPU, a Pentium Dual Core E2160 (Conroe core but with 1MB L2 cache and an 800MHz FSB) for $70. It runs 1.8GHz stock. It's currently doing 3.0GHz 100% stable in the most strenuous stress testing for days on end. I barely had to bump the voltage, and it essentially runs on par with a Core 2 Duo E6750, which at the time I bought this was over 3 times the price. So yeah. Overclocking is amazing if you know what you're doing. Only a fucktard would let his overclocked rig stay unstable. Just go down in increments until it is fully stable, it isn't difficult.

Thanks for the info but I think it is kind of harsh to call him dumb...he sounds like an intelligent dude from what Ive seen in his other posts but everyone has there own personal opinion. Maybe I did pay more than what I should have but like I said I am not a genius with this computer stuff and maybe I should have looked around a bit more but fuck it...Im moving on to this rig from a fucking Athlon 1800 LOL...its ancient and I can barely run more than 1 application at once

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Originally posted by love_child Your right...now that I remember he said to go with the Zalman CNPS9500 because he will overclock it so it will keep it running cooler. Like I said Im no computer wiz and he used Microsoft Excels spreadsheet to create a list for my computer and show me which parts he would use so I guess he just forgot to take off the original Thermaltake and replace it.

Would this be from Canada Computers?

Meh the Zalman 9500 is overrated and overpriced imo. Thermalright Ultra 120 or the Cooler Master Hyper 212 is a lot better for almost half the price.

Gonna buy a new comp next yr, wouldn't spent $1700 ... I do alittle more then surfing and etc on my comps, most i'll pay for a setup is $1400 w/ a LCD.

Maybe I'll wait until the OCTACORE comes out lol.

In the past ... Overclocking was sketchy, but now it's very stable. Every CPU and Motherboard company love to big up their product w/ OverClocking this and that. It's all made for overclocking now.

The Core 2 Duo can overclock 45% more power w/ just the OEM fan.

(I don't know shit about computers and I even know this. It's 2008 !!! Everyone should be somewhat above the so called basics)

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 $1700 for that? Holy FUCK you got hosed mate

YO NIGGA, take it this way ... the price he paid is cheaper then an high end iMAC. The specs he has CRUSHED the iMac to shit! Ya gotta still big him up for not going towards the iTrend LOL

RESPECTS to the LoveChild.

i paid $67 for a 500 GB HD last month...seagate to be precise...and anyone that wants to hate on seagate, seagates have been good to me for 2 decades so i like them and was fine with the purchase...

so back to the OP's thing...so if u DID pay anything over 2 digits (including taxes), u got thoroughly ripped off...

Jesus am I ever behind in the fucking times

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Originally posted by Invasionmix lol it's overkill for what you're doing. But that's a really nice comp, how much did you spend about 1500?

I built my dad a PC with a quad core, and he just uses it for email and to play chess lol!

Even my PC is overkill for what I use it for. I don't even play games, but I have an 8800GT OC haha.

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Originally posted by Playa24_7 I built my dad a PC with a quad core, and he just uses it for email and to play chess lol! Even my PC is overkill for what I use it for. I don't even play games, but I have an 8800GT OC haha.

So will I be happy with it then? Is it blazing fast? I will probably play Call of Duty 4 and shit. My Asus 4850 Ati Radeon holds up to the 8800 GTX on benchmark testing which im happy about.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Also Diginut you're kinda dumb for saying that overclocking is "not worth it." It is VERY much worth it. Why wouldn't you get the extra speed if you can?

Right, you really jumped the shark here. I thought you were smarter than this.

CPUs are not "made" to be overclocked. Nothing has changed between 5 years ago and today except for improvements in cooling and more precise control over the clock parameters.

Mostly, the lower-speed CPUs are the ones that failed factory tests at higher clock speeds. They get rebranded and sold at a lower price. Just because they passed your (no doubt highly exhaustive) "stress test" doesn't mean they're actually stable, and definitely doesn't mean that you aren't doing gradual damage to a chip which is designed to operate within a very narrow tolerance. It's possible that the particular unit you bought was never tested at the higher speeds, or failed some obscure test that will never affect you, but you have no way of ever knowing this.

And as I explained, to start with, the "extra speed" is almost totally imperceptible. Aside from a few very specific applications which I'm fairly certain don't relate to you, CPU is never the bottleneck anyway. It takes thousands of times longer for a single memory access, and thousands of times longer than that for a disk seek. It doesn't matter whether it takes 10 ns or 12 ns to execute a few thousand instructions when you shove a 10 ms (1 million times longer) wait time in there.

There are two CPU parameters which have been shown to have a noticeable effect on system performance. The first is number of cores, and today at least, once you already have 2, you've hit the point of diminishing returns (this may change in the future as more applications are designed to make use of the extra cores). The second is on-chip cache, which can actually make the biggest difference by eliminating some of those memory and disk access times, and a stock Q9450 with 12 MB L2 cache running at 2.66 GHz will easily outperform a Q9300 with a 6 MB cache that's been overclocked to 3 GHz. Always.

Clock speed means fuck all today. Even the manufacturers have realized that, which is why over the past year or two there's been hardly any change in CPU clock speeds, and instead they're concentrating on stuffing in more cores and bigger cache sizes.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Absolutely not worth it. You'll never notice the difference and you might end up making the system unstable or shortening the life of the CPU.

Indeed: O/Cing would be very unwise.

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Originally posted by Invasionmix Would this be from Canada Computers? Meh the Zalman 9500 is overrated and overpriced imo. Thermalright Ultra 120 or the Cooler Master Hyper 212 is a lot better for almost half the price.

Yup it sure is.

I see your thermalright Ultra 120, and raise you a Scythe copper Ninja at a mere 1.2Kg.

O/Cing is a good option in a couple of years where you might want to catch up to current speeds but don't want to upgrade your cpu.

i have a 6450 but haven't OC'd it because there is no need for it now. however, when i have programs that'll need that extra ghz, i'll OC it easily.

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Originally posted by zokissima Which fan is that exactly? You're thinking of the bigger Antec cases.

Yea, I thought I saw nine hundred in the first post lol.

my bad.

Diginut:

The thing is, the new Core 2 Duos and Quads are overclocking machines, and it is well known they are able to be overclocked without damage. Like someone mentioned you can OC on stock air.

Most steppings the g0s with the Q6600 for example can do this.

And it is noticeable. It's the difference of choppy game play to smooth gameplay.


Edit: There is a lot of concern and negative views on overclocking on this board.. Sure OCing was dangerous way back in the day but now with such amazing aftermarket coolers and just general all around technology improvements (besides, most of the chips you guys buy are just the high end chip declocked down) it's not as bad as it seems.

Edit 2: His machine can destroy whatever he wants to do (dvd ripping, editing and such)

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Originally posted by MikeyN Yup it sure is. I see your thermalright Ultra 120, and raise you a Scythe copper Ninja at a mere 1.2Kg.

I fold

The Ultra 120E is the best aftermarket CPU cooler imo.

yeah temperatures... who cares.

The real question is, does the fan sound like a jet engine?

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Originally posted by r5a Diginut: The thing is, the new Core 2 Duos and Quads are overclocking machines, and it is well known they are able to be overclocked without damage. Like someone mentioned you can OC on stock air.

Whenever you hear the words "well known", you know that a flimsy argument is coming up.

More correctly, it's a popular belief that they can be overclocked "safely". We don't really know how true it is, because those CPUs have only been on the market for a few years, and OC tends to take its toll slowly.

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And it is noticeable. It's the difference of choppy game play to smooth gameplay.

That's nonsense. If you have proof, I'd love to see it. Almost every performance metric related to gaming these days rides on the video card(s).

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(besides, most of the chips you guys buy are just the high end chip declocked down)

And as I pointed out - this has been done for a reason. Why would Intel manufacture a chip that runs at a high clock speed, and deliberately sell it as a different model number for a lower price? Does that make financial sense to you? You call it market segmenting if you want - I call it BS.

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Originally posted by malek yeah temperatures... who cares. The real question is, does the fan sound like a jet engine?

Indeed. I much prefer having almost totally silent, passively-cooled machines for production and media center.

Fan noise is a stress-inducer. Eliminating that is far better in a "mood" sense than squeezing out a few extra cycles.

Re: Just Bought New Computer...Is This Good?

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Originally posted by love_child CPU: Intel

No.. this is not a good compuater

AMD FTW!

Re: Re: Just Bought New Computer...Is This Good?

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Originally posted by kotsy No.. this is not a good compuater AMD FTW!

AMD lost it's edge about 2-3 years ago. It messed up bad when they released the socket 939/940 then cancelled the whole platform after a year and announcing socket AM2 which is basically the same thing but utilizes DDR2. AMD's peak was when the Athlon XPs were THE chip to get a few years back. Core 2 Duo/Quads are outselling AMDs really bad at the moment.

Overclocking 101

Chapter 1: Electronics and Time

All electronics denature over time. The reason for this is, elements in the circuitry oxidize, and perfrom other chemical reactions which cause the circuit to change perfromance. For an example, resistors will increase in resistance over time as the coil inside the resistor becomes less conductive due to oxidation. If this resistor is part of an amplifier circuit, the increase in resistance will increase or decrease the amplification depending on the circuit layout. Due to this phenomenon, all electronic devices will stop working eventually.


Chapter 2: Temperature Effects

Like with many things in nature, temperature changes the rate of reaction in a system. Regarding oxidation, the higher the temperature in the system, the faster the oxidation will occur. The reason is that the higher temperature causes higher molecular motion in the lattice and introduces faster moving oxigen molecules into the system. Each element induces a faster rate of reaction.


Chapter 3: Overclocking

Overclocking increases the CPU clock frequency by multiplying the BASE clock frequency by a multiplier. The BASE clock's freqency never changes. Since the generator never changes, additional heat is not introduced from the generator, but from the remaining components of a processor (90% transistors, 10% other pieces). The higher frequency causes more frequent left and right electron motion due to the increased clock and causing heat to be introdued throught the processor. This causes the lifetime of the processor to decrease.


Chapter 4: Business Strategy

Even though default multipliers could be changed to maximum at production level, this would decrease the liftime of the chips and would not meet the standardized requirements. However, if the multiplier is lowered to a low value, the chips would last too long and would not be financialy sound.



can you tell i'm bored at work?

nuts

why not just buy a SICK LCD monitoor and a SONY PS3 and save your time and money

meant to say LCD TELEVISION with PC input

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Originally posted by jpistone why not just buy a SICK LCD monitoor and a SONY PS3 and save your time and money

1) Because it's Sony.
2) Because it sucks.
3) Because there's no such thing as a "monitoor".

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