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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I'm glad that producer/dj's have gotten popular. It gives a lot more variety to the music being played out. These guys are going to end up playing tracks that they are working on or have just finished, which means you won't be getting that from anyone who just djs.

You can't honestly believe this.

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Originally posted by david.michael With the sheer amount of music out there, a decent DJ should not have to rely on his own productions (or even try terribly hard) to play something that you haven't heard before.

This is true but there are a lot of producers out there who I always look forward to seeing based on their tracks alone. So when I go to see them, I know that they will be playing them on top of the fact that they will be playing tunes that they haven't even released yet.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I'm glad that producer/dj's have gotten popular. It gives a lot more variety to the music being played out. These guys are going to end up playing tracks that they are working on or have just finished, which means you won't be getting that from anyone who just djs.

Lol this sounds like me when I bullshitted in my essays in 7th grade.

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Originally posted by RJT You can't honestly believe this.

It's DOOMBOT...OF COURSE he does!

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Originally posted by RJT You can't honestly believe this.

Why not, honey?

I think more along the lines of a dj/producer like yoji bomehanika, i know hes not trance but the way he interacts with a crowd is amazing , and he produces to fit those routines during a set.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT This is true but there are a lot of producers out there who I always look forward to seeing based on their tracks alone. So when I go to see them, I know that they will be playing them on top of the fact that they will be playing tunes that they haven't even released yet.

How would you even know? Does he do a radio name drop?

"PSSSHHEWOOOO SWISHHHHH KYEEW KYEEW KYEEW.... THIS IS DJ MAGNIFICENT PAJAMAS, IN THE MI-MI-MI-MI-MIX.... AND NOW FOR AN MP EXCLUSIVE..."

Example: I saw Gui Boratto this year. I knew he would play his music on top of music he is currently working on. It was a definite win for me because I knew that what I was going to hear that night was stuff that I like. I love the guys sound.

Someone who is a "dj only" isn't going to play a full set of Gui Boratto tracks. If he did, he probably wouldn't get far as dj.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Example: I saw Gui Boratto this year. I knew he would play his music on top of music he is currently working on. It was a definite win for me because I knew that what I was going to hear that night was stuff that I like. I love the guys sound.

Yeah, but you should be able to see a DJ you like based on his sound regardless of whether or not he produces.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Why not, honey?

Because what you're talking about leads to there being LESS music played out, not more.

How in fucks name you think that hearing the same tunes from one producer with one or two they're "working on" leads to more diverse music is beyond me. I can't imagine that argument making sense to a four year old, much less any adult.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Example: I saw Gui Boratto this year. I knew he would play his music on top of music he is currently working on. It was a definite win for me because I knew that what I was going to hear that night was stuff that I like. I love the guys sound.

That's wonderful and all, but Boratto isn't a DJ...

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Originally posted by david.michael Yeah, but you should be able to see a DJ you like based on his sound regardless of whether or not he produces.

You could. You could also go see a dj you like based on what he produces.

And without tooting my own horn, you can hear plenty of legitimately obtained "works in progress" in any set I play.

Re: DJ vs. DJ/Producer

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Originally posted by RJT In the past month I think I've had no fewer than three conversations that have all included something to the effect of: etc. To which my reply has been: "Oh well." I know the industry in general has turned towards favoring producer DJ's because they can sell something beyond a night in a club - but I don't think I'm alone in saying that the amount of mediocre DJ/producers littering the scene has only grown exponentially as the ability to produce music has become easier and easier. That's not what I'm here to talk about. What I'm wondering is when it became such a bad thing to only want to be a good DJ? I have no real interest in producing music, especially the music I play. I like that I can find stuff by guys who don't perform their stuff live, I like painstakingly crafting promo mixes, I like getting loose on the decks in a club, and in general, I just like to DJ, and to learn as much as I can to make myself better at it. Perhaps I've just encountered the wrong folks, but it really seems like there isn't any value placed on this anymore (at least in a broad sense). I'm definitely open to the possibility that I'm just totally wrong here and basing this on my own experience - but meh, the thought of why the value of a DJ may have gone down seemed at least a bit interesting to me.

I agree. I've tried to "get into" production, starting out with Reason. Made a few tracks, generally got bored with the whole process and at one point decided that I would leave the production to those who were more inspired than I.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I'm glad that producer/dj's have gotten popular. It gives a lot more variety to the music being played out. These guys are going to end up playing tracks that they are working on or have just finished, which means you won't be getting that from anyone who just djs.

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02. Deadmau5 - Sometimes Complicated (Mau5trap)
03. Deadmau5 - Bye Friend (Mau5trap)
04. Sydney Blu - Senses Of The Mind
05. Deadmau5 Vs Jelo The Reward Is More Cheese (Summer Festival 08 Version) (Rising Trax)
06. Deadmau5 - Hi Friend (Mau5trap)
07. BSOD � Milton (White Label)
08. Supermayer - 2 Of Us (Deadmau5 Edit) (Kompakt)
09. Nathan Fake - The Sky Was Pink (Deadmau5 Edit) (Border Community)
10. Matt Rock - What You Feel (Deadmau5 Remix) (Hardplace)
11. Deadmau5 - Desynchronised (Mau5trap)
12. John Dahlback - Pyramid (Original) (Cr2)
13. Deadmau5 - Faxing Berlin (Piano Version) (Mau5trap)
14. Deadmau5 - Faxing Berlin (Mau5trap) + Morgan Page - The Longest Road (Accapella) (Netwerk)
15. Deadmau5 & Kaskade - I Remember (Mau5trap)
16. Deadmau5 - Arguru (Songbird/Blackhole)
17. Deadmai5 - Alone With You (Mau5trap)
18. Deadmau5 - Brazil (Second Edit) (Mau5trap)
19. Deadmau5 - Clockwork (Songbird/Blackhole)
20. Deadmau5 � Jaded (Mau5trap)


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Originally posted by RJT Because what you're talking about leads to there being LESS music played out, not more. How in fucks name you think that hearing the same tunes from one producer with one or two they're "working on" leads to more diverse music is beyond me. I can't imagine that argument making sense to a four year old, much less any adult.

Because they are most likely going to play a set consisting of most of their tracks. Whether the tracks ever see the light of day on a label, you really won't know. I'm sure a lot of the time those tracks end up getting reworked a little more after the gig. So you get a unique experience in that you will get to hear a version of the track no one else has or will.

And yes, Gui Boratto djs. I saw him with my two eyes.

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Originally posted by RJT And without tooting my own horn, you can hear plenty of legitimately obtained "works in progress" in any set I play.

Yeah but I'm not going to go see you play over someone like Gui Boratto or Shonky because I've never heard of you. These guys are popular because of the tracks they have produced. You aren't.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Because they are most likely going to play a set consisting of most of their tracks. Whether the tracks ever see the light of day on a label, you really won't know. I'm sure a lot of the time those tracks end up getting reworked a little more after the gig. So you get a unique experience in that you will get to hear a version of the track no one else has or will.

Also not true at all. Early versions of tunes are circulated all the time.

Next?

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Originally posted by RJT To be honest, those are the gigs I actually pursue much, much harder. I haven't even tried to find bookings with Vision, Smartbar, etc. in Chicago at this point just because I don't care enough about being out at them to warrant expecting the bookings I used to get. I don't know - I guess this really wasn't so much about me not having gigs as it was about the general trend towards favoring DJ/producers as opposed to DJ's, the only reason I added my own experience is because that's what spurned the thread.

well i wasn't directing it at you, just thinking while i wrote.

but like i said, there is a little corner of DJing and music for everyone. personally, DJing has always been a hobby. i dabbled here and there and only made promos for friends/family (pretty much still do). my times in wisco/chicago were never that successful to begin with. and when i first moved out here i just ran into the right people, those who had control over what goes on in the baltimore night life. at first i would just talk music, or play random shit at get togethers (read: coke binges) after a night at the club and whatnot. and after a while these same people were like "hey, this isn't bad, how about you play here." and now, about two years later, i have a support group and "fans" that i've attained not through producing, but rather just from my track selections and taste in music.
obviously if you ask me to fill a big venue of even 200+ people, i probably couldn't do it, especially not outside of baltimore. but i'm perfectly happy in my 30-50 person lounge atmosphere.

it all depends on what you want to achieve as a DJ.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Yeah but I'm not going to go see you play over someone like Gui Boratto or Shonky because I've never heard of you. These guys are popular because of the tracks they have produced. You aren't.

Which is exactly what I think is the problem. Congratulations on verifying beyond a shadow of a doubt the fact that you are indeed part of the problem in modern electronic music.

I had a hunch before, your participation in this thread has made it abundantly clear.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT And yes, Gui Boratto djs.

Umm I say Pics or STFU. He's probably a really shit DJ anyway so you still lose. By the way there is a BIG difference between a LIVE set and a DJ set in case you didn't know.

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Originally posted by denys envy it all depends on what you want to achieve as a DJ.

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Originally posted by denys envy i'm perfectly happy in my 30-50 person lounge atmosphere.

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Originally posted by RJT Which is exactly what I think is the problem. Congratulations on verifying beyond a shadow of a doubt the fact that you are indeed part of the problem in modern electronic music. I had a hunch before, your participation in this thread has made it abundantly clear.

"I" being the majority of people who are going to go out. If RJT comes to Philadelphia, chances are he's not going to get a crowd. Why? Because no one has heard of him. Gui Boratto comes to town and people who hardly ever go out are going to make a special occasion.

Don't act like you know me. I've seen hundreds of different dj's, most of which are not popular and never will be.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Umm I say Pics or STFU. He's probably a really shit DJ anyway so you still lose. By the way there is a BIG difference between a LIVE set and a DJ set in case you didn't know.

There was nothing more then a laptop and an couple of EFX units in his setup.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid People with multiple talents are just more appreciated than people with a single talent. Now if it's mediocre or not that's a matter of opinion most of the time. THEN AGAIN, you take guys like Burridge, Howells, Digweed, Pappa who rarely ever produce and they are the guys to beat on the decks. So I guess it must be a matter of how many contacts you have, and your charisma.

People like Digweed, Sasha or even Paul van Dyk (he isn't producing that much) have the advantage of being in the business long enough to not having to produce in order to get gigs

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