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Originally posted by Skipper Richie is so far past the limitations of final scratch now...it's incredible that he designed it, yet now he's outgrown even his own technology.

ahhh, Richie didn't design Final Scratch by any means -- he was hired by the company (along with John Aquaviva) before they were sold to Stanton to help promote it and make slight changes to the software interface to better suit the needs of the mix dj...

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Originally posted by knacker ahhh, Richie didn't design Final Scratch by any means -- he was hired by the company (along with John Aquaviva) before they were sold to Stanton to help promote it and make slight changes to the software interface to better suit the needs of the mix dj...

Correct sir!

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Originally posted by El K Dee "Computer mixing is like fucking with a condom.....theres not alot of feeling there"

So, extending that analogy, it's therefore stupid and possibly life-threatening to play on unfamiliar or anonymous turntables?

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Originally posted by DigiNut So, extending that analogy, it's therefore stupid and possibly life-threatening to play on unfamiliar or anonymous turntables?

or a much safer deal doing computer mixing..haha...

anyway...lee is working on a new bunch of tracks now....w00t...finally something new from him

if u really think about it, besides the beatmatching factor,

we evolved from vinyl where all u see is the vinyl itself and have no idea how much time u have before the next mix (just an estimate looking at how close the needle is to the spindle) and that was solved with CDJs

They started adding BPM counters on mixers rounded to the closest integer so the dj would spend less time beatmatching by having a rough estimate how off he/she was with the vinyl.

Then with CDJs, they included BPM counters. and instant updates on them based on the pitch factor.

any purist that disses on computer mixing (if they are a dj..else they can just shut it) should question if they ever used any of these tools and not lie to themselves that they dont. If they do, thats in essence, computer assistance.

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Originally posted by Skipper God you're tiresome. Get with it. No one is disrespecting Mills here, the man is brilliant. But to deny that what Richie is doing is techno is a bit ridiculous.The only thing worse than a hipster minimalist like Richie is someone like you who can't embrace or appreciate technology.

Skipper this is for you...

Although I love Richie and everything he's done, he gets way too much credit for certain technologies...

This set up is not completely groundbreaking... Chris Liebing and Speedy J have been doing this for well over a year now (2 laptops -- one with Traktor running 4 decks, and the other running Abelton, to add effects, builds etc.)

Personally, I think part of the reason he's getting away from beatmatching is because he's going deaf.

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Originally posted by knacker Although I love Richie and everything he's done, he gets way too much credit for certain technologies... This set up is not completely groundbreaking... Chris Liebing and Speedy J have been doing this for well over a year now (2 laptops -- one with Traktor running 4 decks, and the other running Abelton, to add effects, builds etc.)

its the same with when sasha was promoting ableton back in 2005 how everyone thought it was the most amazing concept djing with it while several djs were using it for years in live gigs previously...namely Rennie Pilgrim, BT, so on and so forth..

Traktor's lately been shunned off as a kiddy tool in comparison with ableton, hence the need for someone like hawtin to do a little talk about functionality.

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Personally, I think part of the reason he's getting away from beatmatching is because he's going deaf.

its not the question of beatmatching anymore...i dont know why people still bring this up. beatmatching is a thing of the past.

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Originally posted by El K Dee .alot of times it misunderstands and gives some wierd bpm count...

you can still use traktor exactly like cdj's when syncing fails.
i set up two buttons on the keyboard for play/pause and cue, and two more for pitch up/down

the looping on traktor is the best feature, no wonder hes so good at it.

I had to stop watching......just too crazy! the guy is not a dj

One day, one day...

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Originally posted by El K Dee Traktor's lately been shunned off as a kiddy tool in comparison with ableton, hence the need for someone like hawtin to do a little talk about functionality. its not the question of beatmatching anymore...i dont know why people still bring this up. beatmatching is a thing of the past.

Just curious by whom? (Has Traktor been shunned as a kiddy tool?)
Also who says Djs these days have to use only a certain type of tool to do what they do? Whether it's Ableton only or Traktor only, for me I'd use whatever works for me (or combine everything tool wise.)

Also about beatmatching, well exactly. I don't think Richie has had a problem with beatmatching and used that as a reason to use Final Scratch, Traktor, Ableton, etc...

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Originally posted by El K Dee its not the question of beatmatching anymore...i dont know why people still bring this up. beatmatching is a thing of the past.

Yeah, just like pianos became a thing of the past once synthesizers became popular. Cuz y'know, pressing those ivory keys was such a huge pain in the ass.

I happen to like hearing slightly flawed sets..that audible human touch - in fact, some of the most inspiring mixes I've heard are from over a decade ago, and most certainly vinyl-only (Fumiya Tanaka's Mix-Up comes to mind). Anything that's approaching technically perfect, due to bpm matching capabilities or whatever, better be incredibly creative and well-programmed, otherwise it turns into a real snore, real fast. There are tons of solid digital d.j.s out there, but they aren't the be-all and end-all of the industry - tons of European d.j.s still use vinyl, and more than a few of us Canadians.

It's all about what comes out of the speakers.

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Originally posted by El K Dee its not the question of beatmatching anymore...i dont know why people still bring this up. beatmatching is a thing of the past.

I�ve heard one of your sets so I can totally understand why you would say that.

Re: Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup ...

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Richie Hawtin explains how he is using Traktor on stage as a digital DJ ... http://www.residentadvisor.net/feed-item.aspx?id=1840

holy fucking batman 6:51 into the video.

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Originally posted by junkie_vince I�ve heard one of your sets so I can totally understand why you would say that.

lol pwnd.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno I happen to like hearing slightly flawed sets..

the problem is nobody else does

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Originally posted by Pett lol pwnd.

pett please explain how i would be "pwnd" by a statement like that. u've never heard squat from me so stfu and sit down.

Exactly. I was going to try to add to this but I mean I can agree w a lot of it.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Yeah, just like pianos became a thing of the past once synthesizers became popular. Cuz y'know, pressing those ivory keys was such a huge pain in the ass. I happen to like hearing slightly flawed sets..that audible human touch - in fact, some of the most inspiring mixes I've heard are from over a decade ago, and most certainly vinyl-only (Fumiya Tanaka's Mix-Up comes to mind). Anything that's approaching technically perfect, due to bpm matching capabilities or whatever, better be incredibly creative and well-programmed, otherwise it turns into a real snore, real fast. There are tons of solid digital d.j.s out there, but they aren't the be-all and end-all of the industry - tons of European d.j.s still use vinyl, and more than a few of us Canadians. It's all about what comes out of the speakers.

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Originally posted by Pett the problem is nobody else does

Naw, wrong I got into electronic music partially because bands like The Prodigy, used DIFFERENT music, stuff that was offbeat compared to the regular stuff that was out there. Especially stuff like Aphex Twin (Richard D James.), Squarepusher, Bjork, and moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I bring up Aphex Twin because he is KNOWN and famous for stuff that is 'slightly off key', I love it, always have and want more. lol

I'm out, work in 4 hours, nite ppl.

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Originally posted by Pett the problem is nobody else does

Would you please pull your head out of your ass for just a second and try to actually understand what I'm saying? Or since that's not likely to happen with any immediacy, listen to the Tanaka set and then see if you get it.

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Originally posted by junkie_vince I�ve heard one of your sets so I can totally understand why you would say that.

lol!

maybe you meant distorted? because flawed means imperfect as in it could be improved.

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Originally posted by Pett maybe you meant distorted? because flawed means imperfect as in it could be improved.

I think he means just 'off' in terms of how it sounds, like organic I think? At least that's how I'd say it. It's hard to explain, giving examples of stuff that fits the description is easie.

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Originally posted by Pett maybe you meant distorted? because flawed means imperfect as in it could be improved.

No, I mean flawed as in "human", like what you'll hear when you listen to John Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, or as I suggested in that link, Fumiya Tanaka. There are times during "Mix-Up Vol. 4" when it sounds like he's on the verge of losing it, barely keeping the mix together - easy to cut him some slack considering he's mixing 130 bpm Techno on 3 decks. Flaws and all, the trip he takes the crowd on is nothing short of amazing. The "mistakes" actually make the set more exciting than if it were technically perfect - the tension that's created as a result only serves to add to his impeccable programming.

Trainwrecks, horses coming down the track, shoes in the dryer - that isn't flawed, it's unskilled. On the other end, DJs who strive for technical perfection each and every time often miss out on the beauty that emerges from so-called "mistakes", and a lot of the times are the ones who don't take any real chances when they're behind the decks. It's nice to hear someone who's entirely comfortable with the middle ground that lies between the two.

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