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Posted by RJT on Sep-11-2008 17:49:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Any chance of a DL link?


Not until it's much further along. I specifically didn't include one of this version because it's very, very unpolished and nowhere near where I'd like it to be when it's done.

I've been working at it a bit each day - hope to have a new version by next week some time.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Sep-11-2008 18:31:

Okay. I ask because I can't listen to streaming audio anymore, since my only net access is at the school library. I download stuff to my portable hard drive and take it home to listen.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-11-2008 22:18:

won't play in the player


Posted by RJT on Sep-11-2008 22:27:

Still works for me...

Anyone else having issues?


Posted by parafrNalia on Sep-11-2008 22:52:

Just worked for me.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-12-2008 00:12:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Still works for me...

Anyone else having issues?


still no go, it looks like it plays but no soundy things come out of my speakers


Posted by RJT on Sep-12-2008 01:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_Blue
still no go, it looks like it plays but no soundy things come out of my speakers


Gay. I will sort something out for you and JBJ in the next day or so.

Trying to put some polish on it tonight anyway, so maybe it won't be quite so wretched once I do.

Then again, maybe it will be far worse.


Posted by Ek0nomik on Sep-12-2008 01:03:

Not working for me either. I will try again when I get back home on Sunday.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-12-2008 22:46:

now it works

first of all, what vsts are you using? bassline sounds good. blips and bloops not feeling so much. would like to hear a more complete version..


Posted by RJT on Sep-13-2008 01:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_Blue
now it works

first of all, what vsts are you using? bassline sounds good. blips and bloops not feeling so much. would like to hear a more complete version..


Mostly Pro-53 and FM8.

I don't recall what the bassline synth I used was - but the bassline itself is a modified MIDI of one of the melodies from a random MIDI pack I found.

It was super, super cheesy though, and I don't really feel like I fixed enough of that, so we'll see I guess.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-13-2008 01:20:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Mostly Pro-53 and FM8.

I don't recall what the bassline synth I used was - but the bassline itself is a modified MIDI of one of the melodies from a random MIDI pack I found.

It was super, super cheesy though, and I don't really feel like I fixed enough of that, so we'll see I guess.


did you just edit it in an audio editor or something? just a rearrangement?


Posted by RJT on Sep-13-2008 01:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_Blue
did you just edit it in an audio editor or something? just a rearrangement?


Nah, I just edited the MIDI file in Ableton - so basically I threw it in a channel with the pads on another one, figured out which synth I wanted to use, then just kind of used the initial MIDI as a base and drew/added/removed notes so that it didn't feel as hectic/cluttered (it was based on the MIDI for the sax part in the Cantina Theme).

I don't know - it might change a fair bit yet as well. Like I said, super early version, so we'll see if it ever even finds its way to a "decent" state - still feels way, way, way too amateur/like an obvious Ableton production to me.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-13-2008 01:32:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Nah, I just edited the MIDI file in Ableton - so basically I threw it in a channel with the pads on another one, figured out which synth I wanted to use, then just kind of used the initial MIDI as a base and drew/added/removed notes so that it didn't feel as hectic/cluttered (it was based on the MIDI for the sax part in the Cantina Theme).

I don't know - it might change a fair bit yet as well. Like I said, super early version, so we'll see if it ever even finds its way to a "decent" state - still feels way, way, way too amateur/like an obvious Ableton production to me.


well, being that i can't remember what the original sounds like, it sounds dec


Posted by RJT on Sep-13-2008 01:37:


Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-13-2008 01:45:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT


ah, that's what i thought.


Posted by nefardec on Sep-13-2008 01:57:

Some initial thoughts on this:

the bassline is doing too much melodically IMO, can be more reduced and rhythmic. Especially given the phrasing of the other lines.

Everything is very quantized and doesn't swing very much, I found it rather silly in that regard haha, given instrumentation and of course the original

I think everything needs to be a bit more ballsy. If you're going to make it spacey, make it spacier, if you're going to make it groovy, make it groovier, etc. It's suffering from a sort of I-dont-know-what-I-want-it-to-be syndrome

I don't like that weird classical 18th century stringy pad in the background. It sounds very canned and there's no expression in the delivery. I think the attack is too long and the pad itself is too muddy. The track wants to be weird, but many of the sounds and rhythms are too safe IMo to actually be weird.

My favorite moments are at the ends of phrases when everything sort of dies down and


The percs IMO are kind of funkless. The rhythm figures are esoteric and hard to get into - ie they dont translate into movement. Particularly the weird noisy glitch percs. I find them a little annoying. Take out the symbol crashes IMO

needs more syncopation

In general I think you need more automation.

I'm not feeling the white noise sweeps. I personally think it's an easy way out of creating musical tension through harmonics and timing, which is the essence of music. I am guilty of this myself in the past.


Posted by RJT on Sep-13-2008 02:07:

On that last bit: It's because I have no fucking clue what I'm doing with percs and fills

Definitely one of the least favorite aspects of the track.


Posted by Omega_Blue on Sep-13-2008 02:11:

agreed on syncopation, it's what makes most tracks "driving" i suppose you could say


Posted by RJT on Sep-13-2008 03:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_Blue
agreed on syncopation, it's what makes most tracks "driving" i suppose you could say


It's actually one of the things I remember you telling me ages ago after watching the D. Ramirez video on swing.

I'm just still a shit bedroom producer trying to learn the ropes - so all the comments really do help quite a bit


Posted by Philby on Oct-07-2008 03:32:

any updates on this??


Posted by RJT on Oct-07-2008 03:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Philby
any updates on this??


Thanks for the bump, and yeah - I'm definitely working on it, but it's taken a very "weird" turn and I don't want to up another version until it's much more close to being finished.

It's also just been kind of a hectic time in my life in general - and I've been able to devote less and less of my mind to production.

Will hopefully see something up in the next few weeks - but thanks again for the bump and the interest.


Posted by Philby on Oct-07-2008 04:52:

no problem! its a pretty interesting project!


Posted by wotyzoid on Oct-12-2008 14:50:

I think I'm the only one who loves this.

The clap is immense. Good job, sir.


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