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Posted by Spacey Orange on Sep-12-2008 08:54:

holy crap. it's george bush with a vagina!


Posted by Lilith on Sep-12-2008 09:16:

If this rank amateur/excuse for a politician gets in, the yanks are so stuffed its not funny... so, so stuffed.


Posted by Meat187 on Sep-12-2008 10:53:

From what I hear McCain / Palin are leading in the current polls.
*points and laughs at America*


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-12-2008 12:03:

someone pinch me..... did she say "you can see Russia from Alaska"??? WTF

also... stolen from another area of TA... GO GO REFORM!!!!!!



awesome reformer.


Posted by hooknife on Sep-12-2008 12:13:

quote:
Originally posted by placebo
she's irritating


I agree.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Sep-12-2008 12:42:

quote:
Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
She is a very good bullshitter, or at least better than me.
She answered the questions very quickly without much pause or stumbling.


no fucking way. she didn't even answer most of the questions. and the questions she did kinda answer displayed a horrible sense of understanding for just about everything. i actually felt a little sorry for her, or maybe it was just me feeling uncomfortable coz she was so shit.

she is completely incapable of acting in the office of the president of the USA and any american that even thinks of voting for her is an idiot.


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-12-2008 12:43:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
no fucking way. she didn't even answer most of the questions. and the questions she did kinda answer displayed a horrible sense of understanding for just about everything. i actually felt a little sorry for her, or maybe it was just me feeling uncomfortable coz she was so shit.

she is completely incapable of acting in the office of the president of the USA and any american that even thinks of voting for her is an idiot.

Curious how you feel about the claims that Obama is not qualified for the job....?


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Sep-12-2008 12:52:

quote:
Originally posted by delobbo
Curious how you feel about the claims that Obama is not qualified for the job....?


obama is far far sharper when talking about the same issues than she could ever be. i don't care if obama's job description was picking up roadkill, he demonstrates far greater political acumen.

she's a fucking creationist for fucks sake. that's all that needs to be said about her capacity for critical thought.


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-12-2008 13:32:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
obama is far far sharper when talking about the same issues than she could ever be. i don't care if obama's job description was picking up roadkill, he demonstrates far greater political acumen.

she's a fucking creationist for fucks sake. that's all that needs to be said about her capacity for critical thought.

good to know

I agree. Although there are times when Obama trips up his tongue, as well as other politicians, but not nearly as bad as the other side. Biden tripped up pretty bad a few times this week too.. did you hear the bit about the wheelchair.. gee.. made me cringe..


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Sep-12-2008 13:34:

As a student of foreign policy, Fallows enunciates exactly what terrified me about that interview:

quote:
The Palin interview

12 Sep 2008 09:01 am
It is embarrassing to have to spell this out, but for the record let me explain why Gov. Palin's answer to the "Bush Doctrine" question -- the only part of the recent interview I have yet seen over here in China -- implies a disqualifying lack of preparation for the job.

Not the mundane job of vice president, of course, which many people could handle. Rather the job of potential Commander in Chief and most powerful individual on earth.

The spelling-out is lengthy, but I've hidden most of it below the jump.

Each of us has areas we care about, and areas we don't. If we are interested in a topic, we follow its development over the years. And because we have followed its development, we're able to talk and think about it in a "rounded" way. We can say: Most people think X, but I really think Y. Or: most people used to think P, but now they think Q. Or: the point most people miss is Z. Or: the question I'd really like to hear answered is A.

Here's the most obvious example in daily life: Sports Talk radio.

Mention a name or theme -- Brett Favre, the Patriots under Belichick, Lance Armstrong's comeback, Venus and Serena -- and anyone who cares about sports can have a very sophisticated discussion about the ins and outs and myth and realities and arguments and rebuttals.

People who don't like sports can't do that. It's not so much that they can't identify the names -- they've heard of Armstrong -- but they've never bothered to follow the flow of debate. I like sports -- and politics and tech and other topics -- so I like joining these debates. On a wide range of other topics -- fashion, antique furniture, (gasp) the world of restaurants and fine dining, or (gasp^2) opera -- I have not been interested enough to learn anything I can add to the discussion. So I embarrass myself if I have to express a view.

What Sarah Palin revealed is that she has not been interested enough in world affairs to become minimally conversant with the issues. Many people in our great land might have difficulty defining the "Bush Doctrine" exactly. But not to recognize the name, as obviously was the case for Palin, indicates not a failure of last-minute cramming but a lack of attention to any foreign-policy discussion whatsoever in the last seven years.

Two details in Charles Gibson's posing of the question were particularly telling. One was the potentially confusing way in which he first asked it. On the page, "the Bush Doctrine" looks different from "the Bush doctrine." But when hearing the question Palin might not have known whether Gibson was referring to the general sweep of Administration policy -- doctrine with small d -- or the rationale that connected 9/11 with the need to invade Iraq, the capital-D Doctrine. So initial confusion would be understandable -- as if a sports host asked about Favre's chances and you weren't sure if he meant previously with the Packers or with the Jets. Once Gibson clarified the question, a person familiar with the issue would have said, "Oh, if we're talking about the strategy that the President and Condoleezza Rice began laying out in 2002...." There was no such flash of recognition.

The other was Gibson's own minor mis-statement. American foreign policy has long recognized the concept of preemptive action: if you know somebody is just about to attack you, there's no debate about the legitimacy of acting first. (This is like "shooting in self-defense.") The more controversial part of The Bush Doctrine was the idea of preventive war: acting before a threat had fully emerged, on the theory that waiting until it was fully evident would mean acting too late.

Gibson used the word "preemptively" -- but if a knowledgeable person had pushed back on that point ("Well, preemption has was what John F. Kennedy had in mind in acting against the imminent threat of Soviet missiles in Cuba"), Gibson would certainly have come back to explain the novelty of the "preventive war" point. Because he knows the issue, a minor mis-choice of words wouldn't get in the way of his real intent.

Sarah Palin did not know this issue, or any part of it. The view she actually expressed -- an endorsement of "preemptive" action -- was fine on its own merits. But it is not the stated doctrine of the Bush Administration, it is not the policy her running mate has endorsed, and it is not the concept under which her own son is going off to Iraq.

How could she not know this? For the same reason I don't know anything about European football/soccer standings, trades, or intrigue. I am not interested enough. And she evidently has not been interested enough even to follow the news of foreign affairs during the Bush era.

A further point. The truly toxic combination of traits GW Bush brought to decision making was:

1) Ignorance
2) Lack of curiosity
3) "Decisiveness"

That is, he was not broadly informed to begin with (point 1). He did not seek out new information (#2); but he nonetheless prided himself on making broad, bold decisions quickly, and then sticking to them to show resoluteness.

We don't know about #2 for Palin yet -- she could be a sponge-like absorber of information. But we know about #1 and we can guess, from her demeanor about #3. Most of all we know something about the person who put her in this untenable role.


http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com...erview.php#more


Posted by mezzir on Sep-12-2008 14:10:

quote:
Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Unreal...


lol!

typing as i watch, lol at gibson or whatshisface calling it hubris saying she was ready without doubting herself at all

also, good lord she's worth than i thought :crap:
her whole thing about not blinking when you have to make tough decisions...NO. In fact, those knee-jerk reactions are practically the signature of the old guard of the party, the same people you're trying to say you're so different from
ugh


Posted by Capitalizt on Sep-12-2008 14:11:

quote:
Originally posted by delobbo


awesome reformer.


I knew she was horrible on foreign policy and economics, but after seeing this...

what a bitch.


Posted by Project-K on Sep-12-2008 14:23:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Lol, she did not do well. At all.


But do you really think the average american will even notice that - or care?


Posted by whiskers on Sep-12-2008 14:59:

quote:
Originally posted by delobbo
someone pinch me..... did she say "you can see Russia from Alaska"??? WTF

also... stolen from another area of TA... GO GO REFORM!!!!!!



awesome reformer.



-1 to this video for using the phrase "go vegan for peace" and for stating TWICE that palin proposed a $400,000 initiative first for not getting aerial hunting banned and second time for promoting aerial hunting (hello, contradiction)

she's a tool but sensationalist videos like these are just as shitty.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Sep-12-2008 16:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
3) "Decisiveness"


yeah, so fucking true. she talked that up a lot to cover the fact that she's willfully ignorant. as if acting with determination is an inherently good thing. i mean fuck.


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-12-2008 16:50:

quote:
Originally posted by whiskers
-1 to this video for using the phrase "go vegan for peace" and for stating TWICE that palin proposed a $400,000 initiative first for not getting aerial hunting banned and second time for promoting aerial hunting (hello, contradiction)

she's a tool but sensationalist videos like these are just as shitty.

I agree with you on the "sensationalist" part. I don't like the stupid music, and the effort that was put in to dramatize the video. (I don't like crap like this in other forms of media, as well). I ignore all of that. And, I know they are trying to fluff it up when they said 400k twice. Ignored. But regarding the content of the video, is it true?


Posted by Ted Promo on Sep-12-2008 16:50:

quote:
Originally posted by whiskers
-1 to this video for using the phrase "go vegan for peace" and for stating TWICE that palin proposed a $400,000 initiative first for not getting aerial hunting banned and second time for promoting aerial hunting (hello, contradiction)

she's a tool but sensationalist videos like these are just as shitty.


Besides, those meese are just asking to get shot and put on display for being anywhere near a sprinkler of such stature.


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Sep-12-2008 17:16:

Damn that's one hot headed bitch. She's willing to take one Country's word without us checking it out for ourselves and go start a nuclear war, lol. Obama FTW!


Posted by daydreamer on Sep-12-2008 17:29:

PINCHE PUTA!!!!

damn that vid had me chocking up at work
especially when they shot the wolves...


feck her.
pendeja!


Posted by Rasidel Slika on Sep-12-2008 17:54:

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
Damn that's one hot headed bitch. She's willing to take one Country's word without us checking it out for ourselves and go start a nuclear war, lol. Obama FTW!

you're forgetting, she can just take a quick glance out her window and see what's going on in Russia.... such as any impending attacks, covert ops, etc and such.. we are talking in REAL-TIME!!!!!


Posted by Alex on Sep-12-2008 18:30:

Well fuck she's been to Canada and Mexico so ease off a bit guys, you all know Canada is ready to invade at any minute.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Sep-12-2008 22:27:

fuck this bitch.


Posted by Nayil on Sep-13-2008 05:28:

given the circumstances and how the questions were aimed at her....

I think she did quite well.


Posted by Alex on Sep-13-2008 05:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Nayil
given the circumstances and how the questions were aimed at....

I think she did quite well.


The circumstances being... You're from Texas?


Posted by RJT on Sep-13-2008 05:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Alex
The circumstances being... You're from Texas?




You have proven to be my favorite TA this election year, hands down.

It's fun (though also admittedly sad) to see a Canadian fellow who knows enough about our Presidential election to so hilariously take the piss out of someone almost daily.

Outstanding.


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