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Originally posted by Project-K The greatest thing about "nothing" is that it doesn't run on electricity.

true, unfortunately it's a necessity. i'm just saying, that imo by living with "nothing" you're just fucking yourself over from conveniences and entertainment.

lol this is how you are rationalizing poverty.

you will be living without stuff alright...the stuff is called pussy.

Well I don't watch TV, I watch movies and stuff on my computer, so all of my entertainement - porn or otherwise - can be contained within a laptop. That's much more convenient than having a bunch of assorted electronics scattered all around the place, a huge desk to hold my monitor and pc case, a chair for that desk, a lamp to illuminate it, cables that run behind it, extensions, furniture for a tv, dvd player, storage to put movies, a sofa to sit on to watch tv, etc. These kinds of possessions are exponential in that they require large ammounts of other, smaller junk to keep them functional.

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Originally posted by elFreak you will be living without stuff alright...the stuff is called pussy.

You don't need to own possessions to get pussy. You need only the impression of owning possessions.

no car
a mattress on the floor in an empty apartment.
4 pairs of underwear
2 shirts


sorry, even a hobo woman would want more than that.

i need something to spend all my money on...im buying stuff!

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Originally posted by Boomer187 i need something to spend all my money on...im buying stuff!

Imagine all the fun you could be having with that extra money.

For instance you could get yourself a big juicy burger, walk in front of a homeless person, take a bite out of it and then throw the rest away. Turn around, go buy a new burger, find another hobo and repeat until bored.

you have to throw it on a roof or something because in my experience they just shrug and eat it off the floor/garbage.

well fed bums are not as funny.

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Originally posted by Project-K Imagine all the fun you could be having with that extra money. For instance you could get yourself a big juicy burger, walk in front of a homeless person, take a bite out of it and then throw the rest away. Turn around, go buy a new burger, find another hobo and repeat until bored.

take a bite out of a homeless person? I may be American but I am not a Psycho!



I have thought about the same thing, it was driven by the fact that in college I moved twice a year. but now I am settled, I have money, I want stuff!

A while ago I came to the same conclusion. There is a point where material excess may become a bit of a burden. Currently, the possessions that are of any significance to me can be summed up in a fairly short list; this is what I would actually miss if it were to disappear.

1. My computer. I put a decent amount of work into it. On top of that, my future career will likely revolve around one. My Laptop, in similar vein, can be included here. Internet connection goes here as well.

2. Wardrobe, or at least a part of it. I have enough clothes to last me a fairly long time, so as of last month I decided not to buy any more, unless there is a serious need.

3. Necessities like water and food, hygiene, and things that are related to this (ie, fridge, dishes, etc)

4. Perhaps some furniture. I'd say over 80% of what I own was handed down to me by friends and family, so no luxury here.

5. I currently live within walking or biking distance from almost every place I visit. Consequently, I have a bike and don't need a car. Sometimes I get rides. I save quite a bit of money here .

6. Items of deeper personal significance. Gifts from friends which symbolize something lasting. This is irreplaceable, and I cherish such items.

I'm pretty sure this is it. I stopped watching tv years ago (the net is way more entertaining, with access to news, ebooks, and what not), and right now I can't really think of anything else which I wouldn't be able to live without. I had a couple major moves in my life (ones where what can't be loaded onto a plane was left behind), and realized that most of what we own is either unnecessary or easily replaceable, often by something better.

My .2

EDIT: The money that I could conceivably save is significant, yet I have a couple pretty major spending habits. Clothes used to be one, but not anymore. Eating out is another one I'm trying to reduce, if not eliminate.

i also live without stuff

its good

I never "came" to this conclusion, I've lived this way my whole life. As a child I used to do a self-imposed yearly clean out and get rid of all the shit I didn't want. I'm still fairly anally retentive, and prefer "mimimalist" design of all aspects of life, especially housing and architecture.

My room:

Bed
Reading table with lamp
Table with laptop, mixer and speakers.
Small couch

Everything that isn't required for everyday use, i.e photo albums, is packed into boxes and put into storage elsewhere.

New CDs are ripped to the computer and then stored likewise.

I guess i 'kind of' get the principle. I don't like keeping useless shit around either.

I do, however, like living in a nice environment, and some of that comprises of 'stuff'. Nice comfortable furniture, and decorations (for use of a better word) that are pleasing to the eye. I like to have a social area (the deck) which has a decent sized table/chairs, and a couple of couches. Some nice plants too.

My deck:





It's a cool space space. Necessary? No. Enjoyable, yes.

That looks pretty good, Sushipunk..

I couldn't possibly live like the topic starter intends to do.. I work hard and I like spending the hard-earned money on stuff I need, want and/or like. No living like a homeless guy for me.

Or is this just the next cool thing for people into minimal?

I'd live on that deck.

You watched Fight Club didn't you ?

I wish I had a solar-powered cruise (1/4 or 1/3 of the size of a normal ship) in this way I could travel the world by sea. It would have wooden floors and a built-in lounge with comfortable but not overly expensive seats and booths (noise-proof of course) and I'd much rather design it myself under appropiate supervision (e.g: become friends with engineers, for they are the real pushers and trendsetters within an economy).

I will begin my excursion in the shore lines of a distant island near Costa Rica. Our trip intends to navigate across the pacific ocean through Asian waters and into the 'Dead Sea' our focal point of what one would describe as a 'rough navigation testing' zone, if you will. If our solar powered boat is able to drive itself during the mid-summer months of the Pacific shoreline without the use of petroeum, we could sell our cruise to a private company, a multi-national, an oil-man from the middle east, a .com millionaire with a sharp-eye for technology.

/dream

Re: Living without "stuff"

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Originally posted by Project-K -Eventually get rid of the desktop PC in favor of a more portable laptop (it's bound to become obsolete eventually, and when that happends, I'll just refrain from buying another desktop). This will probably be the biggest and most difficult step, but I've already been steering in that direction. I barely have any interest in video games anymore (mostly because they're all shit), and most of my PC use has been reduced to browsing, text processing and listening to music (all things I can do just as well on a decent laptop).

no!!

The inevitable three key questions of initiative and strategic planning float around attentively like floating toads on swamp water leaves. How? At first I'd opted to use previously disposed iron and steel parts and pieces taken from car manufacturers and military engineering facilities, one would only imagine the cost of such raw materials would bring down the overall production cost, specially now that the cost of raw materials (e.g: Iron, steel and Gold) has increased significantly.

Once we have the raw materials and a group of willing and adventurous engineers we'll set forth in our far-fetched pursuit of re-designing a classic, yet underappreciated, method of transportation.

The other question that succumbs our attention and infects us with the same idility that we experience when observing a distant snow covered cliff. If such a boat is built as close knitted and accurate in terms of engineering efficiency and accuracy, how long would this ship sail at night without the use of petroleum?

How free and friendly will the waters be? If land is scarce and water covers most of the planet's regions, wouldn't it be wise to explore the seas again? With better technology, with energy efficiency in mind and a distant philosophical endevour to create well-being and thus cleaning our concrete jungle with less vehicles.





Oh boy, lol

You know it's threads like this which really tick Mr.JiveBoJingles. He walks in expecting Tolstoy references of living a 'life' of 'material freedom' or Thoreu's obsession with 'truth'. On the contrary, this poor toddler finds no answers like such. He encounters the predictability and comformity that he sees in humans, but not within him, mainly because he likes to dissasociate himself from the 'common' man. You see, for mr.jbj traits like humor, sarcasm and racial abuse are a moral plague of our time, what is ironic is that in 10 years from now he will despise his own kind, he will repeat the conditioned abusive behavior that he experienced while on his youthful philosophical journey across the world wide web.

lol

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Originally posted by diggerz You know it's threads like this which really tick Mr.JiveBoJingles. He walks in expecting Tolstoy references of living a 'life' of 'material freedom' or Thoreu's obsession with 'truth'. On the contrary, this poor toddler finds no answers like such. He encounters the predictability and comformity that he sees in humans, but not within him, mainly because he likes to dissasociate himself from the 'common' man. You see, for mr.jbj traits like humor, sarcasm and racial abuse are a moral plague of our time, what is ironic is that in 10 years from now he will despise his own kind, he will repeat the conditioned abusive behavior that he experienced while on his youthful philosophical journey across the world wide web. lol

What the heck are you on?

How dare you?

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Originally posted by diggerz You know it's threads like this which really tick Mr.JiveBoJingles. He walks in expecting Tolstoy references of living a 'life' of 'material freedom' or Thoreu's obsession with 'truth'. On the contrary, this poor toddler finds no answers like such. He encounters the predictability and comformity that he sees in humans, but not within him, mainly because he likes to dissasociate himself from the 'common' man. You see, for mr.jbj traits like humor, sarcasm and racial abuse are a moral plague of our time, what is ironic is that in 10 years from now he will despise his own kind, he will repeat the conditioned abusive behavior that he experienced while on his youthful philosophical journey across the world wide web. lol

Oh my. How you say, plus one?

Fucking NOOB! You call that minimamlist? This is minimalist:

Steve Jobs fucking pwns

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