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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Remember, you may not consider it the greatest movie ever, but everyones reasoning is different. Even if it isn't something you agree with, movies are a matter of opinion.

Stop disturbing me, I want to make the kid angry.

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Originally posted by cmay119 Like Trance music, and socks with sandals?

lol yep. Although one should never wear socks with sandals, but to each their own. You will never see me do it though.

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Originally posted by Meat187 Stop disturbing me, I want to make the kid angry.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel What are your thoughts? I have never found it to be something even worth our time. Why is the US so staunch in this shit? I understand the hostilities that were created, but they are a sovereign country, why are we interfering so much with them?

If Cuba deserves an US embargo, well, so does China which executes thousands of people a year, and brutally subjugates Tibet. But of course, Cuba is a weak country and so the US can basically do what it wants.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel lol yep. Although one should never wear socks with sandals, but to each their own. You will never see me do it though.

HAHA! I did earlier today.

fag bro.

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i wish we could lift this damn embargo so i can go there on vaca

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Originally posted by chimera66 i wish we could lift this damn embargo so i can go there on vaca

You can. Connect through Mexico or Canada.

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Originally posted by Krypton You can. Connect through Mexico or Canada.

i know i can go there but it's a huge ordeal to my understanding when you come back to the us. my friend went for a month but it was because of some graduate school project on some grant. i don't know anyone who has gone just to go, always has to do with school

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Originally posted by chimera66 i wish we could lift this damn embargo so i can go there on vaca

As Krypton mentioned you can. Just make sure to keep your passport from getting stamped (get one of those temporary ones when you get to customs) and bring cash. All US credit transactions will be denied there, if they even accept credit. Also you can connect from the Caribbean instead of Canada or Mexico.

edit//here is a site that will even facilitate your flight from the country outside the US to Cuba. http://www.cubalinda.com/English/Sections/HowCubaUS.asp

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Originally posted by Krypton If Cuba deserves an US embargo, well, so does China which executes thousands of people a year, and brutally subjugates Tibet. But of course, Cuba is a weak country and so the US can basically do what it wants.

read the Monroe Doctrine.

Cuba is free to do business with whomever they want except the US and vica versa. and they do.

we supply medical and food stuffs through charitable organizations and monitored free trade. other than that US companies are not allowed to do any other business.

the reason they're so behind the world is 1) their form of government (old school Marxist communism. hardly anything like China's) 2) up until the fall of the Soviet Union their economy was almost entirely subsidized directly by Moscow. no Soviet Union, no 90% of the economy. simple.

communism sucks. communism in this hemisphere sucks huge donkey balls.

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Originally posted by Q5echo read the Monroe Doctrine. Cuba is free to do business with whomever they want except the US and vica versa. and they do. we supply medical and food stuffs through charitable organizations and monitored free trade. other than that US companies are not allowed to do any other business. the reason they're so behind the world is 1) their form of government (old school Marxist communism. hardly anything like China's) 2) up until the fall of the Soviet Union their economy was almost entirely subsidized directly by Moscow. no Soviet Union, no 90% of the economy. simple. communism sucks. communism in this hemisphere sucks huge donkey balls.

While I don't disagree on the communist points, that is still no reason to single-handedly fuck a country in the ass with no lube. They have done nothing wrong in 40yrs. We need to get the stick out of our ass' and just lift the embargo and blockade.

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Originally posted by Q5echo read the Monroe Doctrine. Cuba is free to do business with whomever they want except the US and vica versa. and they do. we supply medical and food stuffs through charitable organizations and monitored free trade. other than that US companies are not allowed to do any other business. the reason they're so behind the world is 1) their form of government (old school Marxist communism. hardly anything like China's) 2) up until the fall of the Soviet Union their economy was almost entirely subsidized directly by Moscow. no Soviet Union, no 90% of the economy. simple. communism sucks. communism in this hemisphere sucks huge donkey balls.

Nothing you said justifies a US embargo. There's something call "self-determination" embodied in the UN Charter, which all nations have a right to, including Cuba. Embargos should be reserved for countries which threaten others directly and also countries which are engaged in genocide. Yea, Cuba's economy is marxist, WTF is it to you? That's not a reason to fuck them over. PERIOD.

When i came here and saw bacardi "made in puerto rico" i was like wtf mate.

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Originally posted by nchs09 When i came here and saw bacardi "made in puerto rico" i was like wtf mate.

lol why is that?

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel lol why is that?

Because it says "made in cuba" everywhere else in the world.

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Originally posted by nchs09 Because it says "made in cuba" everywhere else in the world.

Ahh. I was unaware. I have only ever seen the bottle here in the states.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Ahh. I was unaware. I have only ever seen the bottle here in the states.

Same thing exept that is different. I dont think puerto rico makes bottles with spanish lables either.

and the cuba ones dont have the "surgen general" waring.

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Originally posted by nchs09 Same thing exept that is different. I dont think puerto rico makes bottles with spanish lables either. and the cuba ones dont have the "surgen general" waring.

Yeah the "surgeon generals warning" is a fucking joke anyways.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel While I don't disagree on the communist points, that is still no reason to single-handedly fuck a country in the ass with no lube. They have done nothing wrong in 40yrs. We need to get the stick out of our ass' and just lift the embargo and blockade.

why do you say that? Cuba can still do business with the rest of the world and guess what... they do!!

Are you implying that if you don't do business with the USA, you're doomed forever?

IMO, it has to do with their government, more than the embargo... the official motto is that they are the best country in the world bar none, some people over there do believe it, which makes it worse because there's no need for real improvements.

Bacaradi was originally from Cuba, the Bacardi family left Cuba, so Havana Club Rum has the same recipe and officially replaced it... or so what they said at the Havana Club factory in Havana (i was there in 2006).

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Originally posted by malek why do you say that? Cuba can still do business with the rest of the world and guess what... they do!! Are you implying that if you don't do business with the USA, you're doomed forever? IMO, it has to do with their government, more than the embargo... the official motto is that they are the best country in the world bar none, some people over there do believe it, which makes it worse because there's no need for real improvements. Bacaradi was originally from Cuba, the Bacardi family left Cuba, so Havana Club Rum has the same recipe and officially replaced it... or so what they said at the Havana Club factory in Havana (i was there in 2006).

I by no means think that the US is the only way to success. We single-handedly fucked them because we created a situation where they were too reliant on a single source and when that ended it went to shit really fast.

And of course it has to do with their government, but that is not harming us. So why the fuck are we meddling in this?

surprisingly cuba has the highest literacy rate in the world, maybe behind singapore. it sucks the US won't open up to them because if we did, that place would be the next vegas or miami and all the cuban cigars in the world . it's so nice there the beaches are illlll

numbers lie and don't mean shit

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Originally posted by Krypton Nothing you said justifies a US embargo.

sure there is, they're Soviet era communists, cage their people like animals and launder drug money through Swiss banks. among other things.

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There's something call "self-determination" embodied in the UN Charter, which all nations have a right to, including Cuba.

totally agree.

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Embargos should be reserved for countries which threaten others directly and also countries which are engaged in genocide.

we apply embargos all the time on a much lower standard than that.

and again, it's not like we don't give them nothing. humanitarian aid is what we do best. we don't deny them that.

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Yea, Cuba's economy is marxist, WTF is it to you? That's not a reason to fuck them over. PERIOD.

why do you insist their "self-determination" is entirely determinate on what we do?

in any case all they have to do is reject what has crippled them at the hands of one ideologue for the last half century and, BELIEVE ME, there will be no end to the outpouring of all that is good (and possibly bad considering they've been basically caged for 60 years) from this one country which apparently they can't live without.

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Originally posted by Q5echo sure there is, they're Soviet era communists, cage their people like animals and launder drug money through Swiss banks. among other things.

Those are some hefty charges. And so what if they're communists. So is China and Vietnam, and we have trade deals with them.

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totally agree.

Then why don't you agree to Cuba practicing its own self-determination?

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we apply embargos all the time on a much lower standard than that.

Which is utterly ridiculous. It's economic black mail.

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and again, it's not like we don't give them nothing. humanitarian aid is what we do best. we don't deny them that.

Great, turn Cuba into a beggar nation, like Africa? We're not supposed to be "giving" them stuff, we're supposed be TRADING with them!

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why do you insist their "self-determination" is entirely determinate on what we do?

We should respect their right of self-determination. If they want to be communist, marxist, etc...WTF is it to you?

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in any case all they have to do is reject what has crippled them at the hands of one ideologue for the last half century and, BELIEVE ME, there will be no end to the outpouring of all that is good (and possibly bad considering they've been basically caged for 60 years) from this one country which apparently they can't live without.

Yea, their system isn't a shining example of prosperous governance, etc. But let the Cubans sort that out. This embargo to force them to kneel at the American juggarnaut is really ridiculous. Cuba didn't do anything to us so why do we have to be hostile towards them. Why do we always have to make enemies all over the world??

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