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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced To send a quick e-mail or return a phone call is not difficult to do....why intentionlly piss off a customer when a simple response with an explanation is all that is being asked for. From the videos I've seen none of them portray the club in a negative way. If the videos are being used for profit/marketing reasons then the Guvernment has every right to not allow someone to video the performance. If its for personal use and they are still not allowing access with the camcorder then they shouldn't allow any recording devices into the club unless you have authorization from the club.

him posting the videos on his radioxex website to improve site traffic is a form of "profit". it also doesnt help the situation when he wears a radioxex lanyard with badge around his neck to give people the impression that he is media when he doesnt have the permission/clearance from the venue. i think thats where the problem lies.

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Originally posted by chinamon him posting the videos on his radioxex website to improve site traffic is a form of "profit". it also doesnt help the situation when he wears a radioxex lanyard with badge around his neck to give people the impression that he is media when he doesnt have the permission/clearance from the venue. i think thats where the problem lies.

that would definately be a problem...no matter what club you go to.

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Originally posted by chinamon him posting the videos on his radioxex website to improve site traffic is a form of "profit". it also doesnt help the situation when he wears a radioxex lanyard with badge around his neck to give people the impression that he is media when he doesnt have the permission/clearance from the venue. i think thats where the problem lies.

LOL...

Is that was really what that laminate was????

Is that true Francis?????

I am sorry to hear about what happened, but are we all looking at it from the perspective of the victim. What about the club and the Dj's and the strict rules that need to be followed. Privacy acts and no picture clauses. Have we thought there may have been complaints.
Sorry to hear about it what happened but maybe it is time to do it by the books, just like everyone else.

Perhaps the "tag" I wore was a bad idea with little for-site in mind. I was looking at it from the point of view that someone might recognise it and say hi and maybe chat about prior videos. The thought of misusing it to mislead others to think I was in there under some type of official capacity never occurred to me. It's possible, as Chinamon suggests, that this led me into this unfortunate circumstance. It's hindsite now and there's no way to reverse it, just thinking of a way to patch things up. This is why I want to speak to anyone at Guv who'll listen to clarify things.

As for the DJ's... not a single one that I know of, including Lawler, Benassi, Yoji, Joee Cons, Deko-Ze, Jayforce and the rest, have said anything negative about my vids. I've been in contact with every single one of them and it's all been positive. Lawlers ppl hunted me down to ask me permission to use my video of him on his MySpace page. Yoji's ppl are considering lending me his recorded set so that I can overlay a good track on his vid when it goes to HD. Micheal (Deko-Ze) and the rest have given compliments. Not a single one has said anything to the contrary. I'm sure if I were to get a hold of Armin or his ppl, they would probably want a copy of his stuff.

It was never my intention to go behind Guv's back on anything. It just evolved from my first camcorder to the current one. Also, after three years of free reign around the club in full view off all security and Guv staff, with no one ever approaching me, how am I supposed to think what I was doing was somehow wrong? If it was my first or second video and I got shut down, then fine. It's been 3 years and over 20 vids between Google and YouTube without a peep from any Guv management. Hopefully you can see my outlook on it.

I'm not dumb and I can respect Guv's view on it, it's just they could have handled it a bit more tactfully and give me some type of heads up and voice their opinion. They've certainly had more than enough time for it. It's not like I've not been trying for the past several months to get their blessings. I actually was trying to get permission to be on stage with the DJ's and not just on the floor with my arm stretched high up trying to record the crowd and the DJ.

my take (I never watched your videos btw, so nothing personal):

They've seen your videos, they didn't like them and they don't want you to produce more material. It's all about image and they want to control that (like any other buisness on earth).

They might permit people to film there, but these people don't post videos online.

The other way around is true also, if they had liked your stuff, they would've contacted you to use them, and reach a deal.

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Originally posted by malek They've seen your videos, they didn't like them and they don't want you to produce more material. It's all about image and they want to control that (like any other buisness on earth).

I dont think thats it, the videos are good, and they make the club look like a fun place to be, therefore a good marketing tool

they probably feel that he is using the videos for his own personal benefit... free of charge

and I would assume there is some sort of copyright issue

Seems like there's quite a bit of misunderstanding going on. I can see Malek's view being quite valid as well.

Eh. The Guv's PR department needs work. Nothing new about that.

i have never seen the videos, i'll take your word about them being good.

But that doesn't mean they like them. He might have filmed things in there that don't fit with the image the Guv wants to project.

I'm working in this buisness and it's all about the image.

i think if his videos are good or bad is irrelevant. if they dont want a certain person taking video for commercial use then that is enough reason... and the fact that he kinda deceived people doesnt help his situation either.

another explanation, if a dj complained to the guvernment about a video, then your done too.

Just by using their logo, it makes it look like they're sponsoring you, approving of your videos, which is not the case.

It happened to me once

First off...whoever thinks people record videos using there cell phones and cameras for personal use are full of shit. I have seen loads of people post there videos on youtube or there own website. I highly doubt he is the only one in there without "Permission" to do this. The problem is you cant stop every single person in there since so many people are doing it.

In my opinion I seriously doubt you were hurting the Guvernments status in any way shape or form and if anything did them a favour by attracting more people to the venue.

Dick move on there part but thats life I guess.

I think maybe the tag did it.

Either way whatever the reason is, hopefully you can go back in there and make more vids, they're actually better than any other ones I've seen anywhere.

Yah it was definatwly that fake laminate that did it...

That was a highly stupid move...

I really hope you didn't flash it to try and get in free...


And for those of you who think that basic rules and courtesy's apply in the nightclub world, than you are totally retarded...

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Originally posted by VDub Yah it was definatwly that fake laminate that did it... That was a highly stupid move... I really hope you didn't flash it to try and get in free... And for those of you who think that basic rules and courtesy's apply in the nightclub world, than you are totally retarded...

but professionalism should be in any business...doesn't matter if its a nightclub, stripclub, or Forbes 100 company

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced but professionalism should be in any business...doesn't matter if its a nightclub, stripclub, or Forbes 100 company

The nightlife buisness world is the worst in that department.

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Originally posted by VDub Yah it was definitely that fake laminate that did it... That was a highly stupid move... I really hope you didn't flash it to try and get in free...

Oh god no I'd never do that, and yes I believe it was a dumb thing I did on that part. It was a good intention gone bad in that case.

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Originally posted by VDub Yah it was definatwly that fake laminate that did it... That was a highly stupid move... I really hope you didn't flash it to try and get in free... And for those of you who think that basic rules and courtesy's apply in the nightclub world, than you are totally retarded...

no he didn't..lol!

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced but professionalism should be in any business...doesn't matter if its a nightclub, stripclub, or Forbes 100 company

Agreed...

But thats just the way it is...

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Originally posted by Shaya007 no he didn't..lol!

OK fine...

But using it as a media pass is pretty gay though...

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Originally posted by VDub OK fine... But using it as a media pass is pretty gay though...

I didn't use it EVER as a media pass. Nor did I try to pass it off with security, Guv official or anyone else connected with Guv. I also never jammed it in anyone's face and made any claims whatsoever that I was in there under any official capacity. The tag does not have anything on it to mislead one into thinking otherwise... it just says RadioXex and nothing else. Sure it wasn't a smart move in the end and I really didn't put that much thought into it when I thought it would be cool to wear it. Actually I was pretty proud on how excellent it turned out. Maybe I'm too good for my own good sometimes. It's a curse... I know... LOL!

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Originally posted by chinamon if they dont want a certain person taking video for commercial use then that is enough reason...

To what exactly are you referring as "commercial use?" The term commercial implies, well, commerce - something being bought or sold. He's already stated that he doesn't profit in any way from these videos (and honestly, how could he?). You keep using that phrase but it doesn't seem to be applicable here.

I understand where you're coming from, that you paid your dues and went through a lot of hardship in order to get your media privileges and that he was essentially getting a free ride. Rules are rules, and it is the club management's prerogative to decide who gets to do what on their property. No justification or explanation is required.

However, given the circumstances, the history, and the fact that the Guvernment has probably benefited in some way, no matter how small, from the free PR, an explanation could be reasonably expected, especially when asked directly.

You're asserting that the Guvernment staff acted within their rights. No one is disputing that. What we are saying is that they acted unprofessionally. A one-paragraph response by e-mail that would have taken somebody all of 5 minutes to type up would have diffused any hostility and avoided a situation such as this thread, which in my opinion is already bad PR given the number of people here who go to that club.

There's nothing to be gained from refusing to communicate as long as you're not being harassed. Simply because one has the right to remain silent does not make it good business practice.

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Originally posted by DigiNut To what exactly are you referring as "commercial use?" The term commercial implies, well, commerce - something being bought or sold. He's already stated that he doesn't profit in any way from these videos (and honestly, how could he?). You keep using that phrase but it doesn't seem to be applicable here.

profit is not always a monetary gain.
im pretty sure i remember seeing "radioxex" logos in his videos which means either the video or the logos are a marketing tool for his online radio website. that is how his videos are considered as commercial use.

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Originally posted by chinamon profit is not always a monetary gain. im pretty sure i remember seeing "radioxex" logos in his videos which means either the video or the logos are a marketing tool for his online radio website. that is how his videos are considered as commercial use.

I'm not sure I'd agree that this type of branding qualifies as commerce, any more than putting one's name at the top of a blog post. People sign or watermark their work so others can't take credit for it; if this legally qualified as commercial use then I think a whole lot of licensing agreements would have to be rewritten. Unless Radio Xex is a corporation, it's still not commercial use.

And anyway, if the Guvernment considers this to be commercial use, why not just say so? "Hi, we permitted you earlier to make videos for personal use, and it's come to our attention that you've been using them for commercial purposes. If you want to continue doing so, you'll have to obtain a media pass through the appropriate channels." Is that so hard?

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Originally posted by DigiNut ... if the Guvernment considers this to be commercial use, why not just say so? "Hi, we permitted you earlier to make videos for personal use, and it's come to our attention that you've been using them for commercial purposes. If you want to continue doing so, you'll have to obtain a media pass through the appropriate channels." Is that so hard?

Bingo! That's all I really wanted. I've been recording without hassle all this time. Then I decided it would be cool to get Guv to give me permission to record where the DJ's are... up on the various stages. I sent a list of past videos to them, as I was very proud of them, hoping they would be so impressed that a Guv fan would compliment the place to go though that much trouble.

It's starting to look like I was clearly mistaken.

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