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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yeah, kinda hard to disagree there. All formal education really means is a degree and there's a bunch of idiots out there with degrees who suck at their careers and professions. So at the end of the day, what it boils down to is a means for getting a document you need to get a well paying job or pursue a career path; just a cog in a machine.

In William Cooper's lecture on Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare he says,

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What the alchemical managers have bred over a millenia is a human race of the most wretched stupidity and ignorance unrivaled in thousands of years. These blind slaves are told that they are free and highly educated and they believe it, even if they march behind signs that would cause any medieval peasant to run screaming away from them in panic stricken terror. The symbols that modern man embraces with the naive trust of an infant would be tantamount to billboards reading "THIS WAY TO YOUR DEATH AND ENSLAVEMENT!!" to the understanding of a traditional peasant of antiquity. - Bill Cooper, Hour of The Time Broadcast on Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare (23:xx minute mark)

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Originally posted by Krypton A formal education gives one the authority to speak about a specific subject. If some guy on the street starts talking to me about astro-physics, and makes the claim, "A gamma ray beam is on its way to earth." I'm gonna ask him, "How do you know? Are you an astro-physicist, or just some guy on the street?" 99.9% of the 9/11 conspiracy followers are just some guy on the street...I'm all for an independent commission, but I'm not jumping to conclusions either.

What's wrong with listening to the person's viewpoints and then following that up with your own dedicated research?

For everybody's sake, I sure hope you don't make it a habit of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Anyway, I think it's a shame that people have been so thoroughly dumbed down that they need to rely on some "expert" rather than good, old fashioned common sense.

It seems as though a lot of people are all too eager to offer excuses which only help to safeguard their preexisting prejudices - something which only further perpetuates the ignorance that has come to so thoroughly pervade our society.

Alan Greenspan and "Helicopter" Ben Bernanke are "experts" and look at what bang-up jobs that they've done.

As Thomas Paine was once quoted as saying,

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Reason obeys itself; ignorance submits to what is dictated to it.

I always like intellectuals in academia who push the boundaries of social consciousness on any issue, like Howard Zinn, Chomsky, Parenti and others.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I always like intellectuals in academia who push the boundaries of social consciousness on any issue, like Howard Zinn, Chomsky, Parenti and others.

Definitely!

However, I could easily be wrong but I still feel like Chomsky is just another left-leaning gatekeeper, though. That's just my personal opinion, of course.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Anyway, I think it's a shame that people have been so thoroughly dumbed down that they need to rely on some "expert" rather than good, old fashioned common sense.

Wikipedia: conspiracy theory guide

Appeals to 'common sense';
Common sense steps substitute for the more robust, academically respectable methodologies available for investigating sociological and scientific phenomena.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Definitely! However, I could easily be wrong but I still feel like Chomsky is just another left-leaning gatekeeper, though. That's just my personal opinion, of course.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I haven't read that much of Hall's work but I know he's recognized in esoteric circles as a genius by many.

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"Education at any age is a lifelong dedication to the improvement of character and the enlargement of understanding." - Manly P. Hall

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"I never let my schooling get in the way of my education." - Mark Twain

if trancer's personal education is so superior to the indoctrinating tools of academia, why does he still not understand things like how the federal reserve works?

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Trancer-X's Guide to Troll Idiocy: 1. Constantly droning on and on without having anything even remotely intelligent to say. 2. Constantly attacking and/or harrassing people who do for the sheer sake of pestilent stupidity.

Sometimes I wonder if our liberal use of plastics or fluoridation of water supplies has lead to some of the strange illnesses our culture suffers from. Impossible to tell really.

Plastics release toxic chemicals (phenols) which distort gender identity and intelligence levels, especially in children. Cancer causing, as well, but what isn't?

Think about that next time you buy a plastic bottle of soda. Chemistry's a bitch. :P

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Originally posted by Trancer-X What's wrong with listening to the person's viewpoints and then following that up with your own dedicated research? For everybody's sake, I sure hope you don't make it a habit of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Anyway, I think it's a shame that people have been so thoroughly dumbed down that they need to rely on some "expert" rather than good, old fashioned common sense. It seems as though a lot of people are all too eager to offer excuses which only help to safeguard their preexisting prejudices - something which only further perpetuates the ignorance that has come to so thoroughly pervade our society. Alan Greenspan and "Helicopter" Ben Bernanke are "experts" and look at what bang-up jobs that they've done.

I never said there's something wrong with listening to someone's viewpoint. I never made that argument. That is what I call a "straw man fallacy". When it comes down it, it is academia who have the highest authority on a subject in which the academic specializes in. I can listen to some guy on the street talk about the Big Bang all day. I can only take his words with a grain of salt. It's only until I listen to astrophysicists, that I can take their word because of the extensive expertise and direct research they have done. I don't care who you are. I take everything with a grain of salt, including you.

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Originally posted by Krypton I never said there's something wrong with listening to someone's viewpoint. I never made that argument. That is what I call a "straw man fallacy". When it comes down it, it is academia who have the highest authority on a subject in which the academic specializes in. I can listen to some guy on the street talk about the Big Bang all day. I can only take his words with a grain of salt. It's only until I listen to astrophysicists, that I can take their word because of the extensive expertise and direct research they have done. I don't care who you are. I take everything with a grain of salt, including you.

Ironic, since astrophysicists know as much about the big bang as that guy on the street. =P

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Ironic, since astrophysicists know as much about the big bang as that guy on the street. =P

Wrong. Unless you're being sarcastic or something..

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Originally posted by Krypton Wrong. Unless you're being sarcastic or something..

Not sarcastic at all.

Or did do you actually believe in the big bang? And that "astrophysicists" have some secret inside information that can enlighten your existence?

Oh god, we're fucked. We can't even detect basic patterns.

Why wouldn't one believe in the big bang? Currently its the most feasible theory given the evidence we have and are receiving. If in some time in the future our greater knowledge of physics allows us to form a new, better theory then we move on to that, but at this point in time, big bangs theory stands.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Has America been dumbed down? You be the judge..

Yeah they got the same retards interviewed after probably interviewing a lot more Americans who had answers. I'm sure I can go into a rural town in southern Germany and encounter the same dumbasses there too.

Not defending my country or anything. But saying America is dumb based on the bible belt is like saying Europe is poor based on Poland.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Sometimes I wonder if our liberal use of plastics or fluoridation of water supplies has lead to some of the strange illnesses our culture suffers from. Impossible to tell really.

Nah it's the schools that supply kids with shitty food and sugar up the ass. I don't think there should ever be coke machines or candy machines in schools. I swear to you it's the food. Fast fatty food that gives you an immediate good feeling but nothing of value to last. Sorta like a one night stand. Yeah, fast food is like shitty sex. See what I did right there?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Yeah they got the same retards interviewed after probably interviewing a lot more Americans who had answers. I'm sure I can go into a rural town in southern Germany and encounter the same dumbasses there too.

Exactly. It's actually pretty dumb of anyone to draw any conclusions from videos like that.

And yes, I can easily find idiots like that in rural Sweden too, even though we usually score top three on geography tests in the world. That said, US usually scores amongst the worst there, hehe.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Not sarcastic at all. Or did do you actually believe in the big bang? And that "astrophysicists" have some secret inside information that can enlighten your existence? Oh god, we're fucked. We can't even detect basic patterns.

Then you've got problems.

Ever heard of cosmic microwave background radiation? Hubble's law of red shift? The abundance of primordial elements (hydrogen, helium, lithium), etc. etc. Really all you're doing is insulting the decades of dedicated work done by astrophysicists, cosmologists, astronomers, by the likes of Albert Einstein, Edward Hubble, Steven Hawking... You don't know shit compared to these guys. I'll take them at their word over yours any and every day of the week.

If you don't even believe basic scientific truths, then there's no point debating you as to the superior authority an academic has in their specialized field. Do you also deny the holocaust?

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Originally posted by Krypton Then you've got problems. Ever heard of cosmic microwave background radiation? Hubble's law of red shift? The abundance of primordial elements (hydrogen, helium, lithium), etc. etc. Really all you're doing is insulting the decades of dedicated work done by astrophysicists, cosmologists, astronomers, by the likes of Albert Einstein, Edward Hubble, Steven Hawking... You don't know shit compared to these guys. I'll take them at their word over yours any and every day of the week. If you don't even believe basic scientific truths, then there's no point debating you as to the superior authority an academic has in their specialized field. Do you also deny the holocaust?

Not insulting anyone's work... just not buying the theory.

I imagine whatever happened to "create" the universe is probably without definitive beginnings or endings, and most likely is unfathomable by humans in our current incarnation.

I do like the theory though; its elegant, simple, and practical. I like that people enjoy it and find solace in its possibility, which it certainly is.

PS: I don't necessarily trust doctors with my health, either. Degrees do not impress me one bit, no matter the field; I need to speak with someone, or hear them speak, to get a feeling for their intellectual and spiritual value.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Not insulting anyone's work... just not buying the theory. I imagine whatever happened to "create" the universe is probably without definitive beginnings or endings, and most likely is unfathomable by humans in our current incarnation. I do like the theory though; its elegant, simple, and practical. I like that people enjoy it and find solace in its possibility, which it certainly is. PS: I don't necessarily trust doctors with my health, either. Degrees do not impress me one bit, no matter the field; I need to speak with someone, or hear them speak, to get a feeling for their intellectual and spiritual value.

I don't really have any problems with the big bang theory but I liked your post nonetheless .

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Not insulting anyone's work... just not buying the theory. I imagine whatever happened to "create" the universe is probably without definitive beginnings or endings, and most likely is unfathomable by humans in our current incarnation. I do like the theory though; its elegant, simple, and practical. I like that people enjoy it and find solace in its possibility, which it certainly is. PS: I don't necessarily trust doctors with my health, either. Degrees do not impress me one bit, no matter the field; I need to speak with someone, or hear them speak, to get a feeling for their intellectual and spiritual value.

Well, you know, the Big Bang theory says the exact same thing you just said. At the instant of the Big Bang event, all 4 fundamental forces of the universe were unified. Our current model of the universe can't describe this extremely short period of time. It's called the Planck Epoch, or 0 to 10^-43 seconds after the Big Bang. What we know about it is basically completely blank.

As for cosmology, I'll take the advice of an cosmologist over anyone else any day. Same thing goes for all fields of science. I wouldn't ask you what you thought about particle physics, I'de ask the particle physicists themselves.

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Originally posted by Krypton Well, you know, the Big Bang theory says the exact same thing you just said. At the instant of the Big Bang event, all 4 fundamental forces of the universe were unified. Our current model of the universe can't describe this extremely short period of time. It's called the Planck Epoch, or 0 to 10^-43 seconds after the Big Bang. What we know about it is basically completely blank. As for cosmology, I'll take the advice of an cosmologist over anyone else any day. Same thing goes for all fields of science. I wouldn't ask you what you thought about particle physics, I'de ask the particle physicists themselves.

What do you think about particle physics?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I don't really have any problems with the big bang theory but I liked your post nonetheless .

Thank you. I don't have any problems with the theory either.

It would be cool to have some alternatives that aren't completely sad (like 7-day creationism). I guess we'll have to build some theories ourselves. :P

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Degrees do not impress me one bit

do you have a degree in any field?

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