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Originally posted by Project-K I should hope you can execute "a-click" faster than you can say "unit one, move to waypoint".

Really? So you can do everyting with just one click? You don't have to find the unit, then select the unit, and then find its objective, then give it an order?

Just "a-click" is all you have to do? That sounds like a really fun game.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, not even that. its the fact that you can zoom out, grab 200 units and get them all to move where you want. they'll fire at whatever they're good at destroying, and you dont need to hold their hand every second.

Supposedly, that should be as easy as saying:

"Calling all tanks (or whatever); move to alpha"

All of your tanks will move to your waypoint and engage targets along the way (assuming you have thier posture set to fire at will).

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Originally posted by ChrstnMchl Really? So you can do everyting with just one click? You don't have to find the unit, then select the unit, and then find its objective, then give it an order? Just "a-click" is all you have to do? That sounds like a really fun game.

1-a-click

Point is, in the time it takes you to say "unit one move there and attack", in a game like starcraft, I can;

-move three groups of units into tactical positions
-select base buildings and order production on 24 new units
-position group 3(slow) to attack a target
-move groups 1 and 2 (fast) into flanking positions on two fronts
-set rally points so reinforcements join groups 123 at location when finished
-order group 3 (slow) to move in
-order group 1, 2 (fast) to attack and soak up damage on two distraction fronts, allowing group 3 to move to their destination
-order group 3 to start attacking

Someone who's not too good at the game would have accomplished pretty much the equivalent of "unit one move there and attack". The difference is that one system allows room for skill differentiation, the other is shallow and puts an extremely restrictive cap on unit control and by extension, strategy.

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Originally posted by Project-K 1-a-click Point is, in the time it takes you to say "unit one move there and attack", in a game like starcraft, I can; -move three groups of units into tactical positions -select base buildings and order production on 24 new units -position group 3(slow) to attack a target -move groups 1 and 2 (fast) into flanking positions on two fronts -set rally points so reinforcements join groups 123 at location when finished -order group 3 (slow) to move in -order group 1, 2 (fast) to attack and soak up damage on two distraction fronts, allowing group 3 to move to their destination -order group 3 to start attacking Someone who's not too good at the game would have accomplished pretty much the equivalent of "unit one move there and attack". The difference is that one system allows room for skill differentiation, the other is shallow and puts an extremely restrictive cap on unit control and by extension, strategy.

Color me impressed. You are the master of the hot key. Very authentic to true battlefield tactics as well. Have you seen Patreous's hot key list? Its sick! He clears insurgents out of villages with just 3sdclick - he doesn't issue a verbal order at all!

Since when is realism an issue? It's a strategy game, not a simulation.

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Originally posted by Project-K Since when is realism an issue? It's a strategy game, not a simulation.

Dude, seriously, as I was getting at when I asked if you liked World in Conflict, we look for different things in a RTS. I like war games with an emphasis on the battlefield tactics and a sense of realism and not on how l33t you are with your hot keys, how fast you can gather resources, and how great you can build your bases.

Base building and resource gathering bores me. I want to be immersed in force on force battles. I think barking orders into a mic will add a new level to immersion into a video game. I also find the technology quite innovative.

You can poopoo it as the shittiest (or second) RTS of all time all you want, I simply will add no weight to your opinion as you obviously are into something different than I.

Nothing wrong with having different preferences, but don't pretend that this game has any kind of depth when the design philosophy and control scheme impose severely restrictive limits.

Tomato tomato.

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