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Originally posted by George Smiley Racist Redneck

negative on both accounts...

listen, everyone has taken this "race card" to levels beyond reason, it's turning in a black vs white thing and it's not. i don't care who's president as long as i am able to make money and make business the same way as before.

yes, call me fascist for generating jobs, reducing employment levels and raising the GDP of a nation.

zild, you don't know shit about me or about my family to comment about my views. Listen, if you think Chavez and the entire communist agenda is the future, you are lost lost looost....but hey, you've had it good all your life kids, you don't know what communism leads to...it leads to corruption, it leads to an excess of power and the worst of the worst.

I believe in Winston Churchill because he symbolizes what this country needs, a stronger fist, a more capitalist and imperialist approach. obama is treating the u.s like it's a third world country, nor he or his govt know shit about economics.

i'll quote henrik ibsen here...

"the minority is always right and the majority is always wrong"

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 that's a bit of a stretch. Is that first hand experience from you attending a GOP rally? Or are you surmising based one of these potentially spliced videos you are watching of the crazy republicans?

A combination of the videos and news articles summarizing the general reaction of the crowds (not single particular people).

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And nowhere is this emotion on plainer display than at Republican rallies, where voters this week have shouted out insults at the mention of Obama, pleaded with McCain to get more aggressive with the Democrat and generally demonstrated the sort of visceral anger and unease that reflects a party on the precipice of panic.

Anger Is Crowd's Overarching Emotion at McCain Rally
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...8100903169.html

The angry mobs at McCain/Palin rallies
http://www.examiner.com/x-243-Progr...inPalin-rallies

McCain and Palin's lynch-mob tactics
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dalla...n-and-pali.html

GOP faithful unload at McCain-Palin rallies
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/new...al_attacks.html

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Originally posted by josh4 I understand your point, that anyone can canvas an event, pick and choose a few morons then splice it all together and make a video. My point is thats not the case with these GOP base rallies. Its all of them. It is not a few people that were put together to make one video. The whole crowd is chanting these slogans and getting angry. This is mob mentality. Almost ironic because in the end, if it continues, they are going to push independents and swing voters even further away from their ticket. Anger is not a good emotion to have involved. If McCain keeps inciting them and they start to get violent hes going to answer to it.

My political affiliation is no secret on this forum, and even I think this is going way too far. It's akin to Republicans suggesting that all Democrats are socialists. It dumbs down the discourse, and is really no better than the one-size-fits-all kind of logic that you're ranting against.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov My political affiliation is no secret on this forum, and even I think this is going way too far. It's akin to Republicans suggesting that all Democrats are socialists. It dumbs down the discourse, and is really no better than the one-size-fits-all kind of logic that you're ranting against.

What would you say? That a few people are setting bad examples for the rest of them? The news articles repeatedly cite ANGRY MOBS. How many times do I have to quote that? You can't make an ANGRY MOB with a few bad apples, it requires group effort!

This is not reflective of the larger republican party, just the GOP conservative base or at least the people that are apart of these ANGRY MOBS.

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Originally posted by josh4 What would you say? That a few people are setting bad examples for the rest of them? The news articles repeatedly cite ANGRY MOBS. How many times do I have to quote that? You can't make an ANGRY MOB with a few bad apples, it requires group effort! This is not reflective of the larger republican party, just the GOP conservative base or at least the people that are apart of these ANGRY MOBS.

I think it's indicative of a few vocal miscreants and a largely passive majority willing to sit idly by while people make fools of themselves. I do agree that the number of people inciting hatred is increasing, it in no way represents the totality of the Republican Party, John McCain supporters, or even attendees at these rallies.

But there are enough of them to make people notice, that much is for certain.

Yeeees. It "in no way represents the totality of the Republican Party, John McCain supporters, or even attendees at these rallies." But isn't the fact that "a largely passive majority willing to sit idly by" equal to agreement and condoning it? Isn't that just as bad? Especially from McCain.

I still dismiss the possibility that it is a select few people at the rallies causing a majority of the trouble. If that were the case these articles would be framed differently. But the articles are summarizing a general consensus among the greater majority of those attending the rallies. Not a few people making aside comments before or after the rallies.

Here is another article from a mainstream source.

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Rage rising on the McCain campaign trail # McCain-Palin supporters increasing their attacks on Obama during rallies # Some supporters have yelled out "treason," "kill him" and "terrorist" # McCain and Palin have not asked their supporters to calm their attack # Obama says Friday: Anger and division are "not what we need right now" CNN contributor David Gergen said that the negative tone of these rallies are "incendiary" and could lead to violence. "There is this free floating sort of whipping around anger that could really lead to some violence. I think we're not far from that," he told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday. "I really worry when we get people -- when you get the kind of rhetoric that you're getting at these rallies now. I think it's really imperative that the candidates try to calm people down." http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/

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Originally posted by diggerz negative on both accounts... listen, everyone has taken this "race card" to levels beyond reason, it's turning in a black vs white thing and it's not. i don't care who's president as long as i am able to make money and make business the same way as before. yes, call me fascist for generating jobs, reducing employment levels and raising the GDP of a nation. zild, you don't know shit about me or about my family to comment about my views. Listen, if you think Chavez and the entire communist agenda is the future, you are lost lost looost....but hey, you've had it good all your life kids, you don't know what communism leads to...it leads to corruption, it leads to an excess of power and the worst of the worst. I believe in Winston Churchill because he symbolizes what this country needs, a stronger fist, a more capitalist and imperialist approach. obama is treating the u.s like it's a third world country, nor he or his govt know shit about economics. i'll quote henrik ibsen here... "the minority is always right and the majority is always wrong"

You speak as if there's a bunch of communism supporters in this thread.

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Originally posted by noikeee You speak as if there's a bunch of communism supporters in this thread.

That is what I was wondering. I'm not even voting for Obama. I was just pointing out how insane the people in the video are.

Re: A Glimpse Into The Psyche Of McCain/Palin Supporters

One of them was holding up an "EPIC FAIL" sign!

LOL

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov

Something about McCain makes me feel like he doesn't really like these people at all, but has no choice.

When that guy yells "Terrorist!" in the audience, McCain gets this look on his face that almost looks like he's pained that the guy would even say something like that, and that McCain himself is trying to appeal to these nutbags.

I still say its possible he's been throwing the election for months now to the better man.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Something about McCain makes me feel like he doesn't really like these people at all, but has no choice. When that guy yells "Terrorist!" in the audience, McCain gets this look on his face that almost looks like he's pained that the guy would even say something like that, and that McCain himself is trying to appeal to these nutbags. I still say its possible he's been throwing the election for months now to the better man.

Yeah I don't think McCain wants this at all.



Hear that sigh? I miss this McCain. His hand is obviously being forced and does not like that he is running a campaign contrary to his beliefs. I wonder if he is going to be able to stem the tide.

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"I am enthusiastic and encouraged by the enthusiasm and I think it's really good," McCain said. "We have to fight and i will fight but we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments and I want to be respectful. "I dont mean that you have to lose your ferocity. I just mean you have to be respectful." ... "I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain said as the crowd booed and shouted "Come on, John!" http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensm...l_of_Obama.html

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Originally posted by josh4 I wonder if he is going to be able to stem the tide.

I think it is over for the GOP on this go around.

Troopergate investigation finds Palin �abused her power.��

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The investigator authorized by the Alaska Legislative Council to examine the �Troopergate� scandal released his report today, and found that Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) �abused her power� by pushing State Police Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire her former brother-in-law Mark Wooten: For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 2952.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 2952.110(a) provides �The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.� The investigation also found that Monegan�s refusal to fire Wooten �was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety.�

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/10...pergate-report/

i have been channel surfing all of the news outlets and all of them except for FOX is talking about it now...

Fox

more pics,









McCain being a man and telling his rednecks to shut up

a little too late, but it was nice to correct ignorance..

by the way... anyone here from Q??

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Originally posted by LazFX by the way... anyone here from Q??

I brought that up a while ago about Palin and he finally responded about character assassination and blah blah. I wonder if he sees the connection...

The worst thing about this is that the behaviour in Republican rallies is not only being ignored by the GOP, it's being actively defended:

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Earlier today, Obama remarked on recent outbursts of "Traitor!" "Terrorist!" and "Kill him!" at McCain campaign events. "It's easy to rile up a crowd," Obama said. "Nothing's easier than riling up a crowd by stoking anger and division. But that's not what we need right now in the United States." In response, McCain senior adviser Nicolle Wallace released this statement, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports. "Barack Obama's assault on our supporters is insulting and unsurprising. These are the same people obama called 'bitter' and attacked for 'clinging to guns' and faith. He fails to understand that people are angry at corrupt practices in Washington and Wall Street and he fails to understand that America's working families are not 'clinging' to anything other than the sincere hope that Washington will be reformed from top to bottom." "Attacking our supporters is a new low for the campaign that's run more millions of dollars of negative ads than any other in history." *** UPDATE *** McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers adds in another statement: �Barack Obama�s attacks on Americans who support John McCain reveal far more about him than they do about John McCain. It is clear that Barack Obama just doesn�t understand regular people and the issues they care about. He dismisses hardworking middle class Americans as clinging to guns and religion, while at the same time attacking average Americans at McCain rallies who are angry at Washington, Wall Street and the status quo."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/arch...10/1529529.aspx

And in case there's any doubt about where they're getting it from, I think the difference between the tone of two rallies in OH is worth posting about :

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Barack Obama spoke to a crowd of approximately 8,500 in Dayton's Fifth Third (Eighth?) Field for 40 minutes, and immediately launched into a detailed discussion of the economy. Titled the "American Jobs Tour Rally," Obama managed the subtle stagecraft of physically morphing from a suit-coated politician to a coatless, sleeves-rolled-up problem-solver. Palin's rally featured the more impressive entrance, with giant video screens showing the crowd the slowly turning campaign bus as it approached the cavernous inside venue. Finally, the fog machines hit high blast, the huge blue curtain parted, and the bus drove right inside the hall. As "Eye of the Tiger" blasted over the loudspeakers, Palin bounded on stage to a full-throated roar. It was some pretty sweet stagecraft, (even if had Obama tried it he'd have been ridiculed for behaving as a "celebrity"). Palin's comments were entirely general. There were few specifics on the economy besides freezing spending and a pledge to balance the budget. Despite brief allusions to economic worries, there was no discussion of how America finds itself in this mess. To do so, she explicitly argued, was to dwell on the past rather than look to the future. [...]She spent about 10% of the time talking about Bill Ayers. "Ambition explains launching your political career in the living room of an unrepentant terrorist," Palin said, punctuated by four or five loud shouts of "Terrorist!' from the crowd. Obama's rally featured the chant, "Obama! Obama!" Palin's crowd chanted "Nobama!" twice. With brio. It struck me that the big chant in Carson City was "Drill Baby Drill!" but here when that chant came up it was soft, half-hearted, and uncoordinated. "Nobama!" had the juice. Not even "Sarah!" could trump "Nobama!" The language that the two candidates used on yet another rough economic day showed contrast. For Obama's part, threaded through an extensive discussion of economic policy were repeated phrases: "I have confidence," "I believe in you," "we can do this," "we're in this together," and "together, we cannot fail." On the other hand, Palin's comments were directed at Obama -- she was in full hockey agitator mode -- "terrorist," "judgment," "ambition." As for DHL shutting down 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, "we're gonna do something about it." Obama is afraid of mavericks. And Obama is a very dangerous guy who can't be trusted. Big disconnect from the day's events. The coup de grace was her closing statement, a direct assertion that Obama was a coward. quote: So you know, Ohio, from now until Election Day, you're gonna hear our opponents go on and on about how they'll, quote, fight for you. But since my running mate won't say this on his own behalf I will say it for him. And that is, in this campaign there is only one man who has every really fought for you. The only man who has ever really fought for you and the only man with courage. Contrast with Obama's closing message: quote: Together, we cannot fail. Not now. Not when we have a crisis to solve and an economy to save. Not when there are so many Americans without jobs and without homes. Not when there are families who can�t afford to see a doctor, or send their child to college, or pay their bills at the end of the month. Not when there is a generation that is counting on us to give them the same opportunities and the same chances that we had for ourselves. We can do this. Americans have done this before. Some of us had grandparents or parents who said maybe I can�t go to college but my child can; maybe I can�t have my own business but my child can. I may have to rent, but maybe my children will have a home they can call their own. I may not have a lot of money but maybe my child will run for Senate. I might live in a small village but maybe someday my son can be president of the United States of America. Now it falls to us. Together, we cannot fail. Obama spent almost his whole speech talking about the economy. Palin showed she was capable of talking specifics, but only when breaking down the exact whens and wheres of Obama meeting Ayers, and who said what when, on what interview. Very, very detailed. It was jarring -- the absence of detailed economic discussion. Most people think we're heading for another depression. I think it works well on people already sold on voting Republican but not as well on undecided voters or independents.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008...llies-ohio.html

I would very much like to see how the few remaining Republicans on this board can defend all this.

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Originally posted by Renegade The worst thing about this is that the behaviour in Republican rallies is not only being ignored by the GOP, it's being actively defended: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/arch...10/1529529.aspx And in case there's any doubt about where they're getting it from, I think the difference between the tone of two rallies in OH is worth posting about : Contrast with Obama's closing message: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008...llies-ohio.html I would very much like to see how the few remaining Republicans on this board can defend all this.

I feel sorry for McCain, I really don't think any of it is him. I think the wrong people have hijacked his campaign or are exerting pressure on him so he has no choice but to go along with it. I wonder when someone will just sidestep him completely as if serving a higher cause. She has already done it with Wright. How can he lead if he can't even control his base and his campaign?

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Originally posted by josh4 I feel sorry for McCain, I really don't think any of it is him. I think the wrong people have hijacked his campaign or are exerting pressure on him so he has no choice but to go along with it. I wonder when someone will just sidestep him completely as if serving a higher cause. She has already done it with Wright. How can he lead if he can't even control his base and his campaign?

He can't control all elements of GOP behaviour, of course, but it would be naive to presume that he has no say whatsoever in what's happening at the moment. Early in the campaign, he came out publically in condemnation of his surrogates referring to Barack "Hussein" Obama when introducing him and that was effective in putting an end to that practice (for a while). Now his campaign is going down the far more insidious path of calling Obama a terrorist and he's completely silent on the issue.

Fuck him, quite frankly. I'm going to enjoy watching his concession speech.

Actually, just saw this, I'm happy to take back some of what I said earlier:



Would have been easy to pander to those dead-shits, but - full credit to him - he rose above it on this occasion and was rewarded with jeers from the audience. Fairly classy performance considering the degenerating tone of the campaign, so one can only hope that this sort of rhetoric wins out from here on in. With Palin on the case and preaching a completely contradictory message, however, I'm not so confident of that.

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Originally posted by Zild Maybe, and I would like to see it, but I haven't seen a large mass of Obama supporters spouting off straight hate in such a vulgar fashion.

this wasn't edited to highlight the dumbest interviewrs



if you don't (anybody really) think there aren't jackasses with distorted opinions on both sides of this thing youre high.

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Originally posted by Renegade Would have been easy to pander to those dead-shits, but - full credit to him - he rose above it on this occasion and was rewarded with jeers from the audience. Fairly classy performance considering the degenerating tone of the campaign, so one can only hope that this sort of rhetoric wins out from here on in. With Palin on the case and preaching a completely contradictory message, however, I'm not so confident of that.

he has to bring this stuff out. Rezko, Ayers, Fannie and Freddie, ACORN. he has to. the media has taken it's side in this fight and theyre not going to air it.

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Originally posted by Q5echo this wasn't edited to highlight the dumbest interviewrs

Down with intellectuals!

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Originally posted by Q5echo he has to bring this stuff out. Rezko, Ayers, Fannie and Freddie, ACORN. he has to. the media has taken it's side in this fight and theyre not going to air it.

Rezko and Ayers are tenuous connections that were given their 15 minutes in the media during the primary campaign. McCain has at least as many tenuous connections to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac as Obama does (an example of how easy this six-degrees crap is) and ACORN has nothing to do with Obama at all.

What else you got.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Down with intellectuals!

yeah we wernt dicussing intellectualas. we were discussing "large mass of supporters spouting off straight hate in such a vulgar fashion".

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