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Originally posted by Direct Good. Damn hicks

See I knew you cared

Idiocracy

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Not really, though. Obviously there is a correlation, but I am wondering why the correlation exists at all. Rephrasing: Why does education make people want to have fewer kids?

Just because they have parallel statistical occurence does not necessarily mean that they have a cause/effect relationship. It seems more likely to me that common societal factors that cause one also cause the other.

because kids suck

Because you can't make children while you're reading

How does one deal with crying babies? I can't stand the shriek of a screaming baby. The poop. The 18 years of your life now becoming secondary.

Re: Why do more educated people have fewer kids?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It is a well-known sociological fact that the higher your education level, the less likely you are to have a large number of children. This holds for entire countries as well -- more educated ones generally have lower birth rates -- and it shows an especially impressive correlation with the education level of women in particular. That is, countries where women have free access to all levels of education and are encouraged to use it to pursue job opportunities are much less likely to have high birth rates. Why is this?

probably less likely to have the need of their children supporting them later.

less educated people try to set up more "franchises" in hopes one of them succeeds in sports and whatnot and be able to take care of the parents at retirement.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Why does education make people want to have fewer kids?

Well, for one, because it opens up career opportunities for women which are more or less incompatible with having a lot of kids. This correlation, to some degree, would be expected on that basis alone -- even more so because people who would prefer those career opportunities to having a large family are probably more likely to pursue that education in the first place.

To be honest, though, that's probably an incomplete explanation. For instance, better-educated people may be more apt to recognize and appreciate the burdens, both financial and non-pecuniary, that parenthood imposes on an individual, and people who do so are probably less likely to impose that burden on themselves than people who are less cognizant of it, or who, because of other factors such as government aid, are less likely to actually bear the burden themselves.

Moreover, education level probably correlates to some degree with the overall degree of deliberateness with which individuals plan and carry out various aspects of their lives, so it seems likely that we would see more inadvertent pregnancies among the less educated. And more educated people are almost certainly less likely to be pro-life, so a smaller percentage of unwanted pregnancies are probably carried to term by more educated individuals as well.

That is really probably only scratching the surface. Suffice to say, there are many reasons why we should naturally expect to see the observed correlation...

poor people have smaller TVs and less channels

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Originally posted by Arbiter And more educated people are almost certainly less likely to be pro-life, so a smaller percentage of unwanted pregnancies are probably carried to term by more educated individuals as well.

oh, goodness.

Fact: there is a correlation between education and anal sex - the more education people have the more likely they are to engage in anal sex.

Educated people have far fewer unintended pregnancies then under educated people, and one of the reasons why is because they're doing it in the butt.

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Originally posted by spanglo Fact: there is a correlation between education and anal sex - the more education people have the more likely they are to engage in anal sex.

I demand empirical data!

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Originally posted by Lira I demand empirical data!

And photographic documentation of research data.

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Originally posted by Project-K And photographic documentation of research data.

Aye! Because if there's something in common between science and anal sex, it is the fact that, the deeper you go, the easier it gets to find theses

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Originally posted by Arbiter To be honest, though, that's probably an incomplete explanation. For instance, better-educated people may be more apt to recognize and appreciate the burdens, both financial and non-pecuniary, that parenthood imposes on an individual, and people who do so are probably less likely to impose that burden on themselves than people who are less cognizant of it, or who, because of other factors such as government aid, are less likely to actually bear the burden themselves. Moreover, education level probably correlates to some degree with the overall degree of deliberateness with which individuals plan and carry out various aspects of their lives, so it seems likely that we would see more inadvertent pregnancies among the less educated.

I can't believe the thread got this far before this was posted.

They were the same two points I was planning to raise, but you did it far more succinctly and eloquently than I would have.

Education doesn't come cheap, and neither do condoms.

I'd rather pay only $5000 a year in condoms for stupid people out of my taxes, than the considerably much larger sum I do now that is paying to raise their idiot children.
Education is also a fairly broad margin to paint on society, especially the US and a lot of developed countries where anyone with enough money can get an education, they're not necessarily a better product because of it either.
Just an educated idiot.

Most of the girls I went to school with where 'well educated' and its really no surprise that quite a lot of them just ended up drunkenly fumbling around with some chap and getting knocked up, married, divorced and an endless stream of serial monogamous/parasitic relationships.
They're just as pointless as the government school morons which end up doing the same.

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Originally posted by Lilith I'd rather pay only $5000 a year in condoms for stupid people out of my taxes, than the considerably much larger sum I do now that is paying to raise their idiot children. Education is also a fairly broad margin to paint on society, especially the US and a lot of developed countries where anyone with enough money can get an education, they're not necessarily a better product because of it either. Just an educated idiot. Most of the girls I went to school with where 'well educated' and its really no surprise that quite a lot of them just ended up drunkenly fumbling around with some chap and getting knocked up, married, divorced and an endless stream of serial monogamous/parasitic relationships. They're just as pointless as the government school morons which end up doing the same.

Powerful post right here, folks. I enjoy seeing topics that provoke insightful responses like this.

Honestly, the idea of paying for contraceptives with taxes as an alternative to funding the costly mistakes of fools never crossed my mind before. It is a really interesting take on things.

My opinion has always been that it's extremely irresponsible, or downright malicious, to bring children into this world when you have no resources or any ideas on how to properly raise them and provide for them. All parents, in my mind, should consciously put themselves in a position where they can support a child and make absolutely sure that they have a plan for when things go wrong or take an unexpected turn. What if your child gets sick? What if you lose your job? What if you pass away?

If you can answer all the hard questions and are willing and able to make major sacrifices for the sake of being a parent, then I fully support your decision to be one. Otherwise, I think you are making a mistake. Maybe you'll survive if you somehow produce an exceptional human and get lucky, but statistically the odds are against you, so I hope you're not too crushed when you end up like the rest of the failures who populate this planet.

As for me, I do plan to have kids (yes, plural) but not anytime soon barring some radical change in my financial situation. I have a girlfriend who is willing to have my children, but we're 100% focused on our studies and enjoying each other right now. When the time is right, I'll put my seed in her.

there are also plenty of happy uneducated people with big families and lots of love to go around. not being educated doesn't necessarily equate to not being able to be a good parent. my girlfriend is the oldest of 5 and she's from a typical big black family with a mom that not even a UFC fighter would fuck with and she didn't go to college or anything (the mom). she popped out some kids instead. my girlfriend is a successful art director at an advertising firm and one of her younger brothers is at yale. i don't know what the rest of them do but they're all pretty "normal" and successful. lol you guys sound like a bunch of nazis.

They need to get back in the fucking kitchen

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