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its greg bitch

everybody has startyed calling me craig... first at work, now with some friends... now on the fucking internet!


WTF!

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Originally posted by Allied Nations everybody has startyed calling me craig... first at work, now with some friends... now on the fucking internet! WTF!

Did I hang out with you when I was in Toronto? Yeah didn't think so.

I was referring to Craig, as in Moral Hazard.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel The wait times at a hospital yes, but the wait time for a surgery you should have now to prevent worse health complications later, no.

That's sort of far from the truth.

If the surgery is to prevent serious health complications from happening, you'd be surprised at how fast they are cutting you open.

Not to mention if it's a procedure that cannot be done up here at all, they will pay for it to be done in the USA/UK/France etc.

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Originally posted by Alex That's sort of far from the truth. If the surgery is to prevent serious health complications from happening, you'd be surprised at how fast they are cutting you open. Not to mention if it's a procedure that cannot be done up here at all, they will pay for it to be done in the USA/UK/France etc.

While I am not speaking specifically for Canada, I have hear things that are further from the truth than that. Maybe it is different in different regions, but I know I have been told otherwise. And especially in the UK where the most knowledge I have on it is based.

I don't think Universal Healthcare would ever work.. especially not within the next 4 years.

Not with the economy the way it is.

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL I don't think Universal Healthcare would ever work.. especially not within the next 4 years. Not with the economy the way it is.

It can't work when you have 300m people. Not in the way that others want it anyways.

You get bumped up the waiting list depending on the urgency of the operation, and if that still doesn't satisfy you, you can get private healthcare. It's not a perfect system but it works a hell of a lot better than the US system does.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel It can't work when you have 300m people. Not in the way that others want it anyways.

that too.

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Originally posted by Project-K You get bumped up the waiting list depending on the urgency of the operation, and if that still doesn't satisfy you, you can get private healthcare. It's not a perfect system but it works a hell of a lot better than the US system does.

What makes it working better than our private system? I really have yet to see good reasons from our private system (aside from the uninsured) being worse off than a public system that basically starts to resemble the private system it is trying to replace.

Again, the problems that it attempts to solve are ones that would make a country go insolvent.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel (aside from the uninsured)

Yeah, that's mostly it.

Instead of healthcare only for those who can afford it, you get basic healthcare for all, and better healthcare for those who want to pay for it.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel It can't work when you have 300m people. Not in the way that others want it anyways.

it doesn't work with 65m people.

What difference does the number of people make if the ratio of average-healthcare-cost-per-person to average-taxes-paid-per-person is the same?

As long as you have the appropriate portion of people paying into the system and you make a health budget that reflects accurately what your actual costs are going to be, there should be no difference between a country of a million people and a country of a billion.

I think I might vote tomorrow

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel What makes it working better than our private system? I really have yet to see good reasons from our private system (aside from the uninsured)

isnt that one enough?


amerika is civilized nashun!


I think it should be the opposite project-k... pay for basic healthcare and when shit really hits the fan (100K operations etc etc) have the guv kick it...


no matter whats included basically, its those huge operations that really kill the uninsured/less insured

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Originally posted by Ian it doesn't work with 65m people.

haha I know. I said that earlier in the thread.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Britain is a great example. 60m people and it is crumbling under its own weight.

i'm gonna shake my titties when i vote.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What difference does the number of people make if the ratio of average-healthcare-cost-per-person to average-taxes-paid-per-person is the same? As long as you have the appropriate portion of people paying into the system and you make a health budget that reflects accurately what your actual costs are going to be, there should be no difference between a country of a million people and a country of a billion.

theory vs practice mai frend

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I think it should be the opposite project-k... pay for basic healthcare and when shit really hits the fan (100K operations etc etc) have the guv kick it... d

That makes way more sense imo.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations theory vs practice mai frend

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What difference does the number of people make if the ratio of average-healthcare-cost-per-person to average-taxes-paid-per-person is the same? As long as you have the appropriate portion of people paying into the system and you make a health budget that reflects accurately what your actual costs are going to be, there should be no difference between a country of a million people and a country of a billion.

Because with socialized healthcare, you have a large number of people that are able to use the system and not even work or contribute. Couple this with a large number of older folks that require expensive care.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations isnt that one enough? amerika is civilized nashun! I think it should be the opposite project-k... pay for basic healthcare and when shit really hits the fan (100K operations etc etc) have the guv kick it... no matter whats included basically, its those huge operations that really kill the uninsured/less insured

Well the system still pays for big operations if you can't afford it, it's just that you get a slightly longer waiting line.

But I do think there should be basic fees associated with healthcare. The problem is, if you have something mild like a larynx infection and require antibiotics, you have to wait hours in line because there's a hundred people in front of you who have itchy toes. It might make all those people think twice about going to the doctor for insignificant matters.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Because with socialized healthcare, you have a large number of people that are able to use the system and not even work or contribute. Couple this with a large number of older folks that require expensive care.

This is a problem in any country, not just highly populated ones. Why would the percentage of free-riders be larger in a highly populated country than in a less populous one? You have to establish that it would be larger, in order for the "it can't work in large countries" argument to make sense.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles

in theory you are right... but when you actually start figuring out healthcare for 300m people, will be a bit more difficult


plus the number of retards who will inevitably try and fuck the system somehow will be very high


on paper you are right. in practice providing health care for 300m is an insane challenge

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Originally posted by Project-K Well the system still pays for big operations if you can't afford it, it's just that you get a slightly longer waiting line.

was talking about a potential solution for the us system

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