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Re: Which would you rather? Financial wealth or social wealth?

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Originally posted by Akridrot If I had a trillion dollars (!) I'd trade it all in just to be a fucking poor man in that society. What's your position?

I agree but with your view. We would first have to have unlimited resources for people to start caring about each other. And even then it is very doubtful people would change.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru I agree but with your view. We would first have to have unlimited resources for people to start caring about each other. And even then it is very doubtful people would change.

So what happened with the hookers?

also, financial. Hi-Fi isn't free.

Financial buys social, never vice versa.

not true

in this world of "it's not what you know, but WHO you know" many times, people escalate up the social ladder through networking and building conrete relationships with others.
This in turn allows for upward social AND financial mobility

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Originally posted by inconspicuous So what happened with the hookers?

just sex, thats all.

What wealth category does 'hookers & blow' fall under?

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Originally posted by Ania_xox not true in this world of "it's not what you know, but WHO you know" many times, people escalate up the social ladder through networking and building conrete relationships with others. This in turn allows for upward social AND financial mobility

right, but it is not real friendship. which is his point.

LOL at the people choosing social wealth over financial wealth. GTFO.

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Originally posted by Jabberwocky Financial buys social, never vice versa.

It buys you idiot money driven friends. Watch five minutes of one of the 'Real Housewives of...' series and realise how shitty that life would be.

See how many of your friends stay when you were rich, but end up poor later.

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Originally posted by Yohan See how many of your friends stay when you were rich, but end up poor later.

Only the real ones.

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Originally posted by Nostalgic LOL at the people choosing social wealth over financial wealth. GTFO.

This guy gets it.

The social wealth groupies probably don't have a lot of money so they opt for social which is fine. Make you seem humble and less greedy but lack of money wont get you anywhere. Screw this social ladder crap.

You're making money seems like it's not going to get you far in life but having shit friends and the potential of people ruining you. That happens with money or no money. Money can ruin you, social networks can ruin you, society can ruin you. Maintain your own sense of stability and you're fine. You can watch your money, keep track of your money and know it won't go anywhere. What can you say about social wealth? That can come and go quicker than you can say "cum in my ass".

Dollar dollar bills ya'll!

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Originally posted by Frenchie This guy gets it.

I think that some are just naive to the fact that money trumps all. Including logic and reasoning.

Seems those who would choose money are trying to project their own motivations onto everyone else.

Why?

The way I understand the question, Akridrot was not just asking "Would you choose a pile of money over having lots of friends?", but something like, "Would you choose a pile of money in your current society over living in a changed society where people valued friendship, art, and hospitality to strangers more than they valued being the richest on their block?"

great thread, i've been thinking about this a lot lately.

you have to ask yourself what you want from life. a material based existence where you can't trust anyone... or a less glamorous lifestyle where your focus is more on the relationships you make. it's not as black and white as that but when it boils down to it you'll always have a more level head if you stay somewhere in the middle. im more fulfilled with the social aspects of life and to me it's the greatest wealth I can amass. when I ask myself what it is I truly want to achieve during my time here the answer is simple.

not having any money is ridiculous but having so much of it that your life becomes a constant chase and you forget why you started in the first place...that scares me. over-ambition is not something I want for myself but at the same time I want to be able to live a decent life and to cover the necessities. Also the little things that I enjoy (nice clothes, a decent car, traveling etc). nothing excessive. I think the key is moderation. the biggest flaw I see in the people around me is greed. and I can tell how unhappy they are... and no money in the world is going to change that. those who think it will are the naive ones.

maybe my views will change as I get older but I know that I'll never be the type to chase after material success as much as I will social.



a little cheesy but this reminds me of a verse from the streets;

'Maybe I'm better looking than you though
Maybe I've got more dough - but am I happier... no.
Get the love of a good girl and your world will be much richer than my world'

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The way I understand the question, Akridrot was not just asking "Would you choose a pile of money over having lots of friends?", but something like, "Would you choose a pile of money in your current society over living in a changed society where people valued friendship, art, and hospitality to strangers more than they valued being the richest on their block?"

Why was I absolutely sure that you would understand the entire concept behind my question with no problem while most completely miss the point?

I keep thinking: what would it take for us to stop being controlled by money? Why would you want to have millions of dollars if you could be surrounded by a society where strangers didn't exist, where we were free to live and be individuals, where there was no longer a MSM to tell us what think, where they didn't have insane laws to oppress us.

So some of you are actually opting to leave things the way they are just so you can have more money to enjoy luxuries that you lust for simply because you've been conditioned to lust for them your whole life. All that fancy, dazzling shit isn't actually worth as much as you think it is.

Some of you even admit that once the money is gone in this society, this reality, then so are your friends and everything that you were able to enjoy with it. When the money is gone in the alternative society, who cares? People will still care about you. You will still eat. You still sleep in a warm bed.

The more I think about it, that's the kind of society where you could probably opt to be as poor and humble as possible as a lifestyle and still live in extreme comfort and security with no worries of losing it all... does that make any sense to anyone else?

Don't friends come with lots of money?

Like...sons/daughters of rich guys. They're the ones who always seem to have the most friends and/or are the most popular. Yet they're still rich.

I would choose a minimal existence in a changed society without hesitation, by the way. If I had lots of good friends, I could just borrow books and whatever else I needed to entertain myself.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I would choose a minimal existence in a changed society without hesitation, by the way. If I had lots of good friends, I could just borrow books and whatever else I needed to entertain myself.

Goddamnit, we're on the same fucking page. Luxuries of the intellect is what I'm getting at. No more music industry, but a vast organization of musicians and fans who make and supply the music themselves. Same for movies and everything... it's like, everything would be social and open. You would no longer have things like pirates on the internet, nobody would be arrogant enough to push their art on you like a product for money... they would still live comfortably regardless. Things like that.

What irritates me is the fact that this really, truly, is possible. It's not 100% unrealistic. It's just that most people's minds have been conditioned not to accept such a lifestyle in favor of a superficial, artificially constructed lifestyle, when in reality, this alternative society would be in everyone's best interests. Even for the ones who try to actively prevent its existence.

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Originally posted by TranceOwnsLol Don't friends come with lots of money? Like...sons/daughters of rich guys. They're the ones who always seem to have the most friends and/or are the most popular. Yet they're still rich.

and how many of these 'friends' would offer the cloth off their back once their 'rich' friend turns poor for whatever reason?

the 'friend' label gets thrown around too easily (damn you myspace and facebook. lol)

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Originally posted by Yohan and how many of these 'friends' would offer the cloth off their back once their 'rich' friend turns poor for whatever reason? the 'friend' label gets thrown around too easily (damn you myspace and facebook. lol)

Are you kidding me? I know people who have 'friends' in the thousands and only talk to about 5 people MAX. It's so fucking stupid, I swear. These aren't social networking sites, these are basically "Please add me to your friends because you go to the same college as me and maybe I've seen you once or twice, or maybe we have a mutual friend. Anyway, just approve my request and we will never speak to each other again. Isn't this cool!?" sites.

im shocked at how many hippies there are in the COR.

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Originally posted by Akridrot Goddamnit, we're on the same fucking page. Luxuries of the intellect is what I'm getting at. No more music industry, but a vast organization of musicians and fans who make and supply the music themselves. Same for movies and everything... it's like, everything would be social and open. What irritates me is the fact that this really, truly, is possible. It's not 100% unrealistic. It's just that most people's minds have been conditioned not to accept such a lifestyle in favor of a superficial, artificially constructed lifestyle, when in reality, this alternative society would be in everyone's best interests. Even for the ones who try to actively prevent its existence.

I agree.

For the alternative to become real, there would have to be some kind of "conversion" process that changed the current mentality, a widespread reassessment of values. In our current social arrangement, someone who tried to act like a "typical" member of your dream society would be written off by most as idealistic, naive, or just plain incompetent -- out of tune with everyone else's priorities and therefore unable to properly look out for himself.

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