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Guys, if you lived in the area and did not go to the zone like you do, you'd probably feel the same way.
There's absolutely no benefit to having the zone in your neighborhood unless you go there. That corner is sketch enough as it is.

I have been to the zone and I do think it is worse than other clubs in the city as far as drug use goes.

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Originally posted by Skipper Guys, if you lived in the area and did not go to the zone like you do, you'd probably feel the same way.

Probably not

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Originally posted by Skipper Guys, if you lived in the area and did not go to the zone like you do, you'd probably feel the same way. There's absolutely no benefit to having the zone in your neighborhood unless you go there. That corner is sketch enough as it is. I have been to the zone and I do think it is worse than other clubs in the city as far as drug use goes.

you could say the same thing if it was a Burger King there. If I don't go to Burger King then what is the benefit of having the Burger King there.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced you could say the same thing if it was a Burger King there. If I don't go to Burger King then what is the benefit of having the Burger King there.

No, you could not say the same thing, as burgers are legal, drugs are not.
And people do not leave Burger King fucked up on french fries and act erratically on the street outside.

No matter what happens to the Comfort Zone the scene will still exist. The scene will reinvent itself around whatever venues are available.

Zone has already made it's mark in history and we'll be supporting it until the last beat has reverberated through it's basement walls.

I LOVE CZ

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Originally posted by Skipper No, you could not say the same thing, as burgers are legal, drugs are not. And people do not leave Burger King fucked up on french fries and act erratically on the street outside.

Whoa, hold the fuckin' phone.... Your issue is not with CZ but with the clients, particularly those that use drugs. If that's the case then you should be looking for increased police presence rather then the closure of a business. You can't honestly believe that a business is wholly responsible for the actions of it's customers.

you could make the slippery slope arguement that burger king contributes to litter because it's customers throw wrappers on the ground. And in this era of so called garbage reduction measures it's a very possible arguement. People are already trying to ban drive thrus for god sake!

As i always say. If you dont want to live in a big city, DON'T!

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Originally posted by Skipper No, you could not say the same thing, as burgers are legal, drugs are not. And people do not leave Burger King fucked up on french fries and act erratically on the street outside.

no...I don't think anyone is getting fucked up on french fries...but what stops customers from doing lines of blow off the table to help wash down their burger?

It seems you have a bigger issue with the party goers then the actual club.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Whoa, hold the fuckin' phone.... Your issue is not with CZ but with the clients, particularly those that use drugs. If that's the case then you should be looking for increased police presence rather then the closure of a business. You can't honestly believe that a business is wholly responsible for the actions of it's customers.

If I felt the zone could or would operate without entertaining the clientele that I find take away from the neighborhood, then I wouldn't have a problem with it - but what do you think the odds of that happening are? A police presence would have the same net effect anyways - business would drop (as it did after the raids) and eventually the place would close. So if the end result the same either way, don't waste time and taxpayer money prolonging the inevitable.

At least these people have somewhere somewhat safe to go. This is just going to drive the afterhours more underground, in totally illegal warehouses, etc where there is less security. Less security means less help when it comes to an overdose, or a fight, or a fire hazard, etc.

Not good.

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Originally posted by Skipper If I felt the zone could or would operate without entertaining the clientele that I find take away from the neighborhood, then I wouldn't have a problem with it - but what do you think the odds of that happening are? A police presence would have the same net effect anyways - business would drop (as it did after the raids) and eventually the place would close. So if the end result the same either way, don't waste time and taxpayer money prolonging the inevitable.

so let the club die a natural death instead of letting politicians decide. If the place is a problem and the cops are there and that keeps clients away so be it. And i hate to say it, but democracy and democratic practices cost money. We could just say "why waste money on courts, just throw the buggers away!" But that would be silly wouldn't it?

By the way, police presence should be responsive instead of imposing. Otherwise you create more problems

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you could make the slippery slope arguement that burger king contributes to litter because it's customers throw wrappers on the ground. And in this era of so called garbage reduction measures it's a very possible arguement. People are already trying to ban drive thrus for god sake! As i always say. If you dont want to live in a big city, DON'T!

You could make a lot of slippery slope arguments, but the reality is that the zone contributes more sketch to that corner than burger king does. (And I believe there is a Burger King on the opposite corner)

I have lived in the neighborhood for years and pass through that intersection multiple times per day including on weekends and that is my observation, and for that reason, I would not lose any sleep if the zone closed. Maybe when you move to the neighborhood we could take a stroll through there together and see what your thoughts are. Until then....keep on with your hypothetical arguments, and I will keep talking about what actually happens there, cool?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so let the club die a natural death instead of letting politicians decide. If the place is a problem and the cops are there and that keeps clients away so be it. And i hate to say it, but democracy and democratic practices cost money. We could just say "why waste money on courts, just throw the buggers away!" But that would be silly wouldn't it?

From the sounds of it, the zone doesn't have many more days left operating only because it is appealing the revokation of its license. So perhaps this is all a moot point.

All I said was that I would prefer a condo than the zone and you guys got defensive. I would also prefer not to waste taxpayer money in policing the place but I know that isn't possible because we live where we do and things like this go through due process. Because I believe in democracy, I'm can live with that. I just think the end result is the same either way.

If something like that bothered me so much i wouldnt move to the area. If i still chose to live there then i'd accept the neighbourhood for what it is. Living in a city involves tolerence for good and bad. This being no exception.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Whoa, hold the fuckin' phone.... Your issue is not with CZ but with the clients, particularly those that use drugs. If that's the case then you should be looking for increased police presence rather then the closure of a business. You can't honestly believe that a business is wholly responsible for the actions of it's customers.

No they are not wholly responsible, but are they taking any preventative action to try and minimize the drug usage and run a legitimate business?

I'm not sure. I haven't been there since the raids...


Are they?