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Originally posted by chinamon their laws are their laws. not ours. i dont think she deserved to die because i was brought up with the laws here.

Actually, Somalia is lawless so people can do whatever the fuck they want and that is wrong.

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Originally posted by Yohan laws are laws. it does not mean they are just practical point of view says what we think means very little to other cultures, but if we don't speak out against stupid stuff, how else would humanity better itself? do we give such little rat's ass about plight of others?

you're thinking like big brother now... everyone needs to live like we do or do as we tell them.

when humans were less evolved and did whatever they wanted was this wrong too?

*and i'm not saying somalians are not evolved.

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Originally posted by love_child Actually, Somalia is lawless so people can do whatever the fuck they want and that is wrong.

they need to fix their own problems.
if none of their people are brave or smart enough to step up and take control then they deserve to rot.

didn't developed nations used to do the same thing historically? North American laws, customs, values (some) are simply more advanced, more evolved.. other countries are simply behind, imo. It's unfortunate but Somalia, China, Middle East, they will change its laws someday (probably not in my lifetime, smirk)

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew stoned her for killing someone - eye for an eye so to speak

lol according to your logic, eye for an eye in an adultery case should be more sex...i like ur logic!

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Originally posted by chinamon i dunno man.. different cultures look at life differently. who are we to judge them? is it because we are taught to think we are better than everyone else? im pretty sure she knew what would happen to her if she was caught committing adultery but she still chose to do so. if we had the death penalty in canada and you chose to kill someone and you get caught, it is nobody's fault but your own...

I'm saying that if this act is as heinous in their country as it seems to be then why is the guy not being hunted down and "dealt with" in the same manner? Unless I'm not up with the times, it still takes two for this sort of thing?

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Originally posted by love_child Yeah but killing someone is a totally different crime. Adultery is still wrong but then who were they to judge her? I guarantee you that each one of the individuals who participated in her death were not perfect human beings so what position were they in to make that call? Do you really think she deserved to die for that? I dont think so.

Jesus said that much better... strange how a religion that holds a prophet in such high regard can simply disregard the totality of his ministry.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Jesus said that much better... strange how a religion that holds a prophet in such high regard can simply disregard the totality of his ministry.

My understanding is that Jesus was just a minor prophet, a miracle worker but his words don't mean anything compared to the Quran and the hadith?

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Originally posted by Spin Laden didn't developed nations used to do the same thing historically?

I can't think of any where adultery was punishable by being bludgeoned to death by big fuckin' rocks.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I can't think of any where adultery was punishable by being bludgeoned to death by big fuckin' rocks.

Ancient Assyrian/Babylonian laws? Pretty sure the Bible said something bad about adulterers in Deuteronomy

yeah they just turned everything into salt.

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Originally posted by Yohan My understanding is that Jesus was just a minor prophet, a miracle worker but his words don't mean anything compared to the Quran and the hadith?

Major prophet, he figures quite highly. The hierarchy goes Mohammad > Jesus > Moses. How could Jesus be only a minor figure when he was the only human taken to heaven alive and remains there waiting to lead the final war against evil (following which he will be entombed beside Mohammad)... sounds pretty important. Moreover; the Qu'ran considers the Gospels and the books of Moses to be the word of Allah. In fact, the Qu'ran states that it's validity can be tested by it's consistency with these earlier books. Which is why I find it strange that if it is supposed to be so consistent with the gospels it can be so far off on this one (especially given that Jesus' "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" zinger was delivered under pretty much the exact same circumstance).

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Originally posted by Yohan Ancient Assyrian/Babylonian laws? Pretty sure the Bible said something bad about adulterers in Deuteronomy

He stated that he was pretty sure that developed nations did the same thing at some point in their history... I would not consider Ancient Assyria or Judea to be "developed nations."

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard He stated that he was pretty sure that developed nations did the same thing at some point in their history... I would not consider Ancient Assyria or Judea to be "developed nations."

oops. i misread the that part

does anyone have good book recommendation concerning development of shariah law? looking at our muslim friends here...

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex I'm saying that if this act is as heinous in their country as it seems to be then why is the guy not being hunted down and "dealt with" in the same manner? Unless I'm not up with the times, it still takes two for this sort of thing?

it does take two to tango but you seem to forget that some cultures view men being superior to women.

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Originally posted by chinamon it does take two to tango but you seem to forget that some cultures view men being superior to women.

In truth, Islam would mandate that the male involved suffer the same punishment as the female; however, it seems the clerics are less eager to dispense this "justice" upon men.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard He stated that he was pretty sure that developed nations did the same thing at some point in their history... I would not consider Ancient Assyria or Judea to be "developed nations."

no, developed nations do not do these things. We are talking about these nations before they became "developed." At one point, they too were underdeveloped and had similarly punitive measures to what you are seeing in underdeveloped or non-western countries today.

Will these countries ever "evolve?" Well, we ARE reading about this on the internet today, no? No doubt in my mind mass media technology (among other aspects) has played an enormous role in putting pressure on these countries to change respective laws.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard In truth, Islam would mandate that the male involved suffer the same punishment as the female; however, it seems the clerics are less eager to dispense this "justice" upon men.

this is not a religious thing, but cultural thing

islam, if read just from Quran, is quite liberal text. but cultural and retarded fundamentalist perceptions gives islam a bad name

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Originally posted by Yohan this is not a religious thing, but cultural thing islam, if read just from Quran, is quite liberal text. but cultural and retarded fundamentalist perceptions gives islam a bad name

End of thread right there...

"Not a religious thing, but cultural thing"

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Originally posted by Spin Laden no, developed nations do not do these things. We are talking about these nations before they became "developed." At one point, they too were underdeveloped and had similarly punitive measures to what you are seeing in underdeveloped or non-western countries today.

You're going to have to substantiate this claim because I'm pretty sure it's a bullshit moral relativism claim that is not actually supported by fact. If you are to equate the present social-economic level of development in much of the Islamic world to the history of the developed nations then you'd have to place it at the equivalent of Europe's feudal period. Please advise me; in exactly which Medieval European countries was adultery punishable by stoning?

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Originally posted by Yohan this is not a religious thing, but cultural thing islam, if read just from Quran, is quite liberal text. but cultural and retarded fundamentalist perceptions gives islam a bad name

Indeed... that was the thrust of my post... the religion is being misused and maligned.

Alot of you are missing the key point here based on whats said in the article the lady herself wanted this punishment:-

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex Islamists said the woman, named as Asha Ibrahim Dhuhulow, wanted punishment under Sharia law. Local leader Sheikh Hayakallah said: "She was asked several times to review her confession but she stressed that she wanted Sharia law and the deserved punishment to apply."

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Please advise me; in exactly which Medieval European countries was adultery punishable by stoning?

There were actually several. It wasn't stonning to death but it was public beheading i.e.guillotine.

Infact, there were tons of accusations made during the Medival Period. Also, it didn't matter if you were Rich or Poor. Maria Antoinette is a prime example.

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis End of thread right there... "Not a religious thing, but cultural thing"

isnt that what ive been saying the whole time?

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