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Originally posted by gumble add to that viewing "What the bleep do we know?" and you'll find yourself a very informed individual

Its a popular pseudo-science movie with "credible" scientists telling you that you basically have the power to change your DNA and water has emotions amongst other crap.

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What the Bleep Do We Know!? (also written What tнe #$*! Dө ωΣ (k)πow!? and What the #$*! Do We Know!?) is a 2004 film which combines documentary-style interviews, computer-animated graphics, and a narrative that posits a spiritual connection between quantum physics and consciousness. The plot follows the story of a deaf female photographer; as she encounters emotional and existential obstacles in her life, she comes to consider the idea that individual and group consciousness can influence the material world. Her experiences are offered by the filmmakers as an illustration of the movie's thesis about quantum physics and consciousness. The 2004 cinematic release of the film was followed by a substantially changed, extended DVD version in 2006.

(Wiki)

Not really connected to Zeitgeist, only on the same sort of intellectual level. It just reminded me of it....

haha, awesome. love your work gumble

chew balls tathi!!

Anyway, I'm with the general consensus that this is a SHIT idea.

We are talking about a very very small minority of sick people that want to perve on kids (anorexic kids in philbys case).

I don't think child pornography is found easily anyway? Wouldn't it all be done on private FTP and P2P networks etc?

The point being, people that want to look at that shit know how to use a computer, they know how to get around filters etc.

The rest of us then have to suffer, with the KRudd government thinking they are protecting us.

Whats next? Thats the worry.

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Originally posted by gumble Whats next? Thats the worry.

No, what's next is the whole point.
Freedom is bad. Control is good. (From a govt perspective).

yer, as long as I get contracted to develop swarms of killer wasps to take out any of those who oppose the new order.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 No, what's next is the whole point. Freedom is bad. Control is good. (From a govt perspective).

i think that's a grossly over-simplified sentiment. government's enact an ideology through policy and compromise in the house(s). if you look at the history of western liberalism, there's an awful lot of examples of government's attempting to 'free up' their people.

as fucked up as this policy is, i dont think it has malicious overtones. its just an example of government's attempt to do the right thing, just in a stupid and inevitably useless way.

you're so wrong, it's not funny.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 you're so wrong, it's not funny.

then show me how im wrong.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN then show me how im wrong.

where does it end?
like all good government things, they'll slowly just beef it up and tighten it over the years.
for now, it's "think of the children!", how far will that go?

how many things have they brought in over time against the "war on terrorism"?

brilliant.

i still dont see how that is at odds with what i wrote though.

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how many things have they brought in over time against the "war on terrorism"?

which "things" do you mean in particular?

policy and laws are in a state of flux. to argue that they are constantly heading in the one direction ignores an awful lot of evidence to the contrary.

oh oh oh and don't forget the US trade agreement, which should really be called "Australia, the 51st state of the US agreement". (How come we didn't get to vote for Obama yesterday, we are basically another part of the US..)

oh and this forum could probably be considered illegal as well, since people can talk about anything. OH GNOES THEY CAN TALK ABOUT ILLEGAL THINGS. BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK!

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 oh oh oh and don't forget the US trade agreement, which should really be called "Australia, the 51st state of the US agreement". (How come we didn't get to vote for Obama yesterday, we are basically another part of the US..)

free trade agreements are a good thing.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN free trade agreements are a good thing.

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go take a look at what it actually is, it's not just about trade.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 ... go take a look at what it actually is, it's not just about trade.

strategic alliances are also a good thing.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN strategic alliances are also a good thing.

there's a reason why previous governments refused to sign it...

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 there's a reason why previous governments refused to sign it...

well, perhaps instead of beating around the bush you could present an argument about what you don't like about it.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 ... go take a look at what it actually is, it's not just about trade.

No, PKC is right. Free Trade is a very good thing for Australia, especially since we export so much.

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Originally posted by Fledz No, PKC is right. Free Trade is a very good thing for Australia, especially since we export so much.

the free trade agreement HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREE TRADE.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 the free trade agreement HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREE TRADE.

then educate us. what is it about?

It's a huge mother of a thing.

for a start...
Our copyright laws are changed.
Actually sets RESTRICTIONS on some of our exports with the US.
Break a US law and the US can have you extradited so you face trial there rather than charged and tried here (There are instances of this happening).
the whole thing with the PBS (In short, potentially leading to higher drug prices).

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 It's a huge mother of a thing. for a start... Our copyright laws are changed. Actually sets RESTRICTIONS on some of our exports with the US. Break a US law and the US can have you extradited so you face trial there rather than charged and tried here (There are instances of this happening). the whole thing with the PBS (In short, potentially leading to higher drug prices).

that does sound pretty fucked :/

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that does sound pretty fucked :/

That's why previous governments refused to enter a FTA, not in our interests... But who wouldn't refuse? Howard...

Only thing really missing from it is Australians getting to vote in the US election.

anywayz, i have written to 5 ministers regarding this issue and i suggest you all do the same. assuming you give a fuck.

you'll fucking give a fuck when your bandwidth is cut in half.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that does sound pretty fucked :/

everything sounds bad when it's over exaggerated

you now have to wait 20 years longer before plagiarising a dead americans work.

it's not like you couldnt be extradited before for breaking US laws, just now in addition, if you break american copyright law, it's possible for you to be extradited even if said offence did not occur on US soil.

despite the aforementioned restrictions there has been an increase in exports to the US.

ok PBS bad.

not that the FTA has been beneficial for us, but it's not like we weren't sucking up to the US before it

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