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Posted by Waza on Nov-15-2008 12:54:

All i'm saying about ableton is i don't like the layout - my creativity is ok with it but i don't like the look that's all.

I'm going to download all that suggested and go from there.

Just wish I had money for a mac then I would go Pro Tools.


Posted by echosystm on Nov-15-2008 13:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Waza
Just wish I had money for a mac then I would go Pro Tools.


lol

protools is available on PC.
...also, it is shit.


Posted by Waza on Nov-15-2008 14:26:

Yeah oops sorry I meant Logic, I was still sleeping when I wrote that. LOL


Posted by Fledz on Nov-15-2008 23:10:

Man Cubase and Logic are virtually the same bloody thing. Cubase seems to handle VSTs better now anyway and has the advantage of having more VSTs available to it as well.

I don't get the blind love for Logic. It's because it's Mac isn't it?

Logic is far from a bad DAW. It's definitely one of the best but people jump on the Apple bandwagon far too often for all the wrong reasons.

To the OP - From my point of view, I would choose Cubase over Sonar. I didn't really like Sonar as the GUI is indeed terrible and it killed my workflow.

I've got Live 7 which is fantastic but it can run into some problems for post production. This is all personal though. I need something deeper once my ideas are set which is why I'm getting Cubase 4 to complement it. Best of both worlds.


Posted by trance-ecj on Nov-16-2008 01:28:

it seems like your willing to spend a lot of money simply cus u dont like the 'look' of ableton...

im not one to tell you how to spend your money, but that, to me, doesn't seem like a good enough reason to spend a ton on a new daw


Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Nov-16-2008 03:51:

Ableton Live 7 gets my vote; I find it very easy and fun to use.

Having said that, a lot of other people seem to like Cubase and/or Logic--I have no experience with either DAW.


Posted by maximlee on Nov-16-2008 21:25:

DAW................

ive been making tunes now for coming up to 6 years and im only starting to sound proffessional....the main reason for this.... i started using cusbase and my tunes sounded 10times better...dont go near ableton live it is not a pro daw.... people will probably argue with me but at the end of the day if you listen then is all that matters....

cusbase or logis are the benchmark that all these cowboy daws try to copy but they have features that do something faster... but faster is not better.... yes you may not use some of the features that cubase has for a few years but when u are at a level to dig deeper....its like ...how far do you want to go????...... it simply blows ableton away....

maximlee


Posted by Fledz on Nov-16-2008 22:05:

Re: DAW................

quote:
Originally posted by maximlee
ive been making tunes now for coming up to 6 years and im only starting to sound proffessional....the main reason for this.... i started using cusbase and my tunes sounded 10times better...dont go near ableton live it is not a pro daw.... people will probably argue with me but at the end of the day if you listen then is all that matters....

cusbase or logis are the benchmark that all these cowboy daws try to copy but they have features that do something faster... but faster is not better.... yes you may not use some of the features that cubase has for a few years but when u are at a level to dig deeper....its like ...how far do you want to go????...... it simply blows ableton away....

maximlee

Rubbish. It's to do with improving your workflow because it suits you better, not because it's "better" in general. It's different for each person.


Posted by Beyer on Nov-16-2008 22:32:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
lol

protools is available on PC.
...also, it is shit.


The midi has been horrible, until now it seems! PT8 has some nice features imo. But I�m not willing to spend that much money on their interfaces, and the m powered version seems crippled. Having to use my old m audio usb is not an option either.


Posted by evo8 on Nov-17-2008 01:48:

Re: DAW................

quote:
Originally posted by maximlee
ive been making tunes now for coming up to 6 years and im only starting to sound proffessional....the main reason for this.... i started using cusbase and my tunes sounded 10times better...dont go near ableton live it is not a pro daw.... people will probably argue with me but at the end of the day if you listen then is all that matters....

cusbase or logis are the benchmark that all these cowboy daws try to copy but they have features that do something faster... but faster is not better.... yes you may not use some of the features that cubase has for a few years but when u are at a level to dig deeper....its like ...how far do you want to go????...... it simply blows ableton away....

maximlee



Posted by Storyteller on Nov-17-2008 08:29:

I use Renoise (50E) one. Bought Cubase 4 recently (500E) and I haven't even touched it yet!

Even though Renoise is 10 times cheaper it still kicks butt! It's cheaper, has PDC, full fledged multi-core support and to me it seems to generate less cpu overhead as well.


Posted by kitphillips on Nov-17-2008 11:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller
I use Renoise (50E) one. Bought Cubase 4 recently (500E) and I haven't even touched it yet!

Even though Renoise is 10 times cheaper it still kicks butt! It's cheaper, has PDC, full fledged multi-core support and to me it seems to generate less cpu overhead as well.


More interestingly its got a unique way of working, which must help you bust out of the more normal way of working with a DAW like cubase...

Maximlee, are you actually retarded or just trying to get into that headspace?
before you come in here dribbling your so called facts and messing up our shoes, why don't you learn to spell, mmkay?


Posted by Storyteller on Nov-17-2008 12:30:

quote:
Originally posted by kitphillips
More interestingly its got a unique way of working, which must help you bust out of the more normal way of working with a DAW like cubase...


It's far from unique. Actually it's concept is way older than the piano roll concept and Cubase and it's ancestors. Dating back from before the 80's! (So that would make it the 70s hehe )

Just google on "Trackers" such as Impulse Tracker, Scream Tracker, Protracker


Posted by kitphillips on Nov-17-2008 13:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller
It's far from unique. Actually it's concept is way older than the piano roll concept and Cubase and it's ancestors. Dating back from before the 80's! (So that would make it the 70s hehe )

Just google on "Trackers" such as Impulse Tracker, Scream Tracker, Protracker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2Mr2Es9mI, Timbaland and Nelly Furtado track was actually ripped from a track composed in protracker (program made in 1987), quite funny.


Yeah I know the concepts ancient, but its unusual to see it implemented these days, I should look into it a bit more, get myself out of the habits ableton puts me into and shake things up...


Posted by atxbigballer1 on Nov-18-2008 06:54:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Which car should you drive? Which cell phone plan should you pick? Should you BBQ that hot dog or nuke it?

Who cares? All cars get you from point A to point B, assuming you know how to drive. All cell plans will allow you to call your friends, assuming you pay your bills. And as long as that meat is cooked, it doesn't really matter how. They're all tools, and although everybody has their personal preferences, they all get the job done. Sure - some cost a fraction of the price that others cost because they're less sophisticated. At the same time, if you're just beginning to produce, then you're shooting yourself in the foot if you automatically dive into the most complex programs available.

Most software vendors will make a trial version of their program(s) available. The best way to find out which sequencer you should use is to try all of them out and see which one suits you best.

Unless you're trying to incite another forum war, you don't want to ask this question. You don't even want to tiptoe around it. People argue enough about this topic *without* being prompted for their opinions.


Posted by Storyteller on Nov-18-2008 09:10:

I disagree... The question is "Which DAW would you choose" therefore the above post by Diginut & atx does not apply.

If you would put the above post in the right context proper questions would be, "Which car would you drive?". Would, not should.


Posted by Beyer on Nov-18-2008 16:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller
I disagree... The question is "Which DAW would you choose" therefore the above post by Diginut & atx does not apply.

If you would put the above post in the right context proper questions would be, "Which car would you drive?". Would, not should.


+1 He was asking which WOULD we choose. That�s a different question entirely. I�m 90% happy with logic 8, but have my eyes on PT8. I would like to try their new midi, as the old midi editing was pretty bad imo.
Though its audio track handling is very nice. It�s just crap that you need to buy proprietary hardware to run it. But then again, I did buy a mac, in order to run logic.


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