"Justice Faking Their Live Sets" (funny article on Beatportal)

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Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Nov-19-2008 04:13:

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Originally posted by geroin

LOL at your sig!

Posted by iant56 on Nov-19-2008 04:41:

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Originally posted by geroin
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i saw them play live many times on seratto and they trainwrecked a couple times too
how is that prerecorded

No question mark needed mstrkrft states that in their essential (not justice), which adam420 mixed up. I was just setting the record straight.

Posted by Owen M on Nov-19-2008 04:55:

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Originally posted by Adam420
That's not news to me. They mentioned at the beginning of their Essential Mix that they usually record their sets in advance because they're normally drunk at parties and are afraid that their sets will come out sounding like shit.

actually.....

they said they don't record live sets (as in they don't hit the record button before dj sets) because they're usually really drunk and scared of what they sound like afterwards....and that they recorded their essential mix in advanced (like almost every other dj thats on essential mix)

Posted by geroin on Nov-19-2008 05:17:

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Originally posted by iant56
No question mark needed mstrkrft states that in their essential (not justice), which adam420 mixed up. I was just setting the record straight.

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Posted by Mach X on Nov-19-2008 05:22:

Fuck it... like the article says, most is prerecorded and set before the show like most electronic shows. They mentioned Daft Punk having everything set before hand too...

I think it depends on wether or not they are faking a live PA or live DJ'n...

Live PA, I can see, they most of those kids out there are there just to listen and see and nu-rave and like the said, making live music on the fly which is almost exactly or similar to the albums on which thier fanbase buy's and came to hear is hard ... the fans, they don't care or won't know if they are just tweaking around on knobs.

Plus, these guys are like rockstars now, they play almost every night, same thing, they put on a show, they're gonna get bored, gonna take some short cuts. Some may say they are short cutting thier fans, but they're getting the job done and pleasing the crowd (For the most part). For you all you know this this show coulda been a sunday or something in a smaller town after they just played a huge venue on sat night in Chicago or something. They may have been up for 48 hours, or hungover as fuck!

Faking live DJ'n bothers me tho, but same idea, pleasing a crowd that is there just to listen and see some showmanship, and wouldn't even know if the highs are to high, or the beat was just off a tad. It's annoying to see DJ's tweaking and playing with the EQ knobs on a channel that is not even up or has anything going through it. Or like when I saw Fedde Le Grande go apeshit on a CDJ pretending he was moving the platter, slapping the cue and play buttons but the CD was half ejected and sitting there not even inserted. But 95% of the people there who had no idea this was happening seemed to love it tho..

And it's better than copying, I would rather see someone fake playing thier own music than ripping off other people's work and passing it off as thier own.

Justice still owns...

Posted by The Highroller on Nov-19-2008 05:28:

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Originally posted by DJ Mach X
Or like when I saw Fedde Le Grande go apeshit on a CDJ pretending he was moving the platter, slapping the cue and play buttons but the CD was half ejected and sitting there not even inserted.

PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR DETROIT!

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HEY

Posted by geroin on Nov-19-2008 05:31:

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Originally posted by The Highroller

PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR DETROIT!

bumpadumpadumpadumpadump badumpadumpadump

HEY

LOL

Posted by activate on Nov-19-2008 05:36:

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Originally posted by DJ Mach X
Or like when I saw Fedde Le Grande go apeshit on a CDJ pretending he was moving the platter, slapping the cue and play buttons but the CD was half ejected and sitting there not even inserted.

Perhaps he didn't realize it wasn't in, and was trying to get it to play?

Posted by Mach X on Nov-19-2008 05:44:

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Originally posted by activate
Perhaps he didn't realize it wasn't in, and was trying to get it to play?

Nah, definently not, got a few other DJ witnesses to this too...he was holding his headphones on too, pretending to cue then hands in the air... it was humourous. Very nice guy tho, so ain't faulting him much for just putting on a show for the kids and riding out the popularity of one song. Best part was he played in Windsor, I pointed at Detroit for him, he's never been.

Posted by Mach X on Nov-19-2008 06:02:

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Originally posted by Owen M
actually.....

they said they don't record live sets (as in they don't hit the record button before dj sets) because they're usually really drunk and scared of what they sound like afterwards....and that they recorded their essential mix in advanced (like almost every other dj thats on essential mix)

I couldn't find a way to upload and embed a damned soundfile so I had to windows movie maker and you tube it...

it = their intro to thier Essential Mix where they say they prerecord the Essential Mix because they are to drunk when they do it live and are unsure how it sounds like after...

Posted by Pett on Nov-19-2008 06:21:

awesome.

still to this day the only dj i've ever busted live for this was oakenfold at guv.

Posted by Owen M on Nov-19-2008 06:22:

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Originally posted by DJ Mach X

I hope you were agreeing with me...I just used different words than mstrkft did, but said the same thing.

Posted by activate on Nov-19-2008 06:41:

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Originally posted by DJ Mach X
I couldn't find a way to upload and embed a damned soundfile so I had to windows movie maker and you tube it...

it = their intro to thier Essential Mix where they say they prerecord the Essential Mix because they are to drunk when they do it live and are unsure how it sounds like after...

I just listened to that twice.. sounds to me like they`re saying they don`t record sets live because they`re drunk and not sure if they`d sound good... and that they were doing that essential mix live in as they said it was a rare opportunity for them to hear what they sound like

Posted by Dior Homme on Nov-19-2008 07:12:

I heard Tiesto fakes it.

Posted by knacker on Nov-19-2008 14:43:

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Originally posted by DJ Mach X
And it's better than copying, I would rather see someone fake playing thier own music than ripping off other people's work and passing it off as thier own.

Did you not read the part of the article that states their album contained at least 400 uncleared samples of other peoples music

http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item...it-to-theivery/

fucking lame!

Posted by geroin on Nov-19-2008 14:51:

Posted by elFreak on Nov-19-2008 14:56:

anyone who chastises this behavior while thinking a giant mouse head is cool should be reminded that this most likely means justice is aimed at your demographic and i need more coffee.

Posted by LKD on Nov-19-2008 15:06:

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Originally posted by geroin
well at least they admitted to it lol
to be honest a lot of producers sample other peoples shit and get away with it..

*Paging ***** to argue that its for research purposes*

Posted by Orko on Nov-19-2008 15:42:

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Originally posted by Pett
awesome.

still to this day the only dj i've ever busted live for this was oakenfold at guv.

When was that?

Posted by elFreak on Nov-19-2008 15:48:

okenfold is not hard to bust...any transition that does not sound like 2 puppies wearing wooden clogs and fighting in an operating dryer are obviously pre recorded.

Posted by Mach X on Nov-19-2008 16:08:

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Originally posted by knacker
Did you not read the part of the article that states their album contained at least 400 uncleared samples of other peoples music

http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item...it-to-theivery/

fucking lame!

Samples are one thing, everyone uses samples wether they clear it or not, but they rearrange it to make thier own music.

It's when people make an entire track to sound similar to others that bothers me... ie. D.Ramierz's shield vs. Grindhouse... and I love Josh Wink, but his Superfreak and Dan Bell's Phreak...

Posted by Pett on Nov-19-2008 17:09:

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Originally posted by Orko
When was that?

at least 3 years ago, can't remember which night, but in the mainroom, he was spinning upstairs booth. Its not like he faked the whole set, but there were some tracks that were already premixed.

Posted by knacker on Nov-19-2008 17:20:

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Originally posted by DJ Mach X
Samples are one thing, everyone uses samples wether they clear it or not, but they rearrange it to make thier own music.

not *everyone* samples other peoples music -- I sure don't, and many of the producers I love I know would not.

Not learning how to make your own sounds and/or play an actual instrument in this day and age when the tools are so easily available and affordable is just plain lazy

I'm not against sample based music -- some of it is great and has opened up new doors of possibilities -- but not giving proper credit is just disrespectful and shows you have no interest in being a true artist or musician (actually creating something).

Posted by The Highroller on Nov-19-2008 17:23:

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Originally posted by knacker
not *everyone* samples other peoples music-- I sure don't, and many of the producers I love I know would not.

Not learning how to make your own sounds and/or play an actual instrument in this day and age when the tools are so easily available and affordable is just plain lazy

I'm not against sample based music -- some of it is great and has opened up new doors of possibilities -- but not giving proper credit is just disrespectful and shows you have no interest in being a true artist or musician.

Did you even what the story is? Yes, it is true that Justice uses samples from other artists. However, many of the samples they have used are so short/tweaked that no one would ever be able to know where it came from. In other circumstances, Justice has paid for licensing fees for the samples they've used.

Do you know anything about production? Do you know how many house music songs are like the 500th remake of a song made in the 70s? Is using samples on Fruity Loops lazy and stealing too?

Posted by knacker on Nov-19-2008 17:32:

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Originally posted by The Highroller

Do you know anything about production? Do you know how many house music songs are like the 500th remake of a song made in the 70s? Is using samples on Fruity Loops lazy and stealing too?

lol, I've been a musician for 15 years and a producer for 8, so yeah I know a little bit

and like I said, older electronic producers didnt have the access we have now to software, computers, vst synths, internet tutorials etc to make music -- many of them couldnt afford the tools, so the music came from sampling.

These tools are all available now for virtually nothing, so there should be no excuse not to LEARN how to create sounds and actually compose music...

If you want to compose music from sampling others music, fine, just give credit to the hard work of those artists.

Samples from fruity loops have been licensed or created for the program -- its not the same as taking a cd, extracting a portion from a song and acting like you wrote it.

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