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If I'm coming from 427/Evans/Gardiner area, what is the best option to get downtown WITHOUT driving?

I tried looking at the GOtransit website, and it's pure bullfuck.

Gonna be watching Cowboys vs. Steelers instead of this.

I'll be driving... looking online what time I should get there, though prolly a couple of hours before the game starts for the buffet. I just got my VIP tickets, at the 45 yard line, w00t!

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Originally posted by Jeff Button Question: If I'm coming from 427/Evans/Gardiner area, what is the best option to get downtown WITHOUT driving? I tried looking at the GOtransit website, and it's pure bullfuck.

123 To Kipling (The stop right on Browns Line and Evans by the gas station) There's two 123 route buses going by that stop. The other one goes down to Browns Line so make you don't get on that one. From Kipling Station take the subway to Union Station. It's about an hour of travel time.

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Originally posted by Special K so the game isnt sold out does that mean it will be blacked out here and in buffalo?! ps. im happy it didnt sell out

It will be televised here in Buffalo.

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Originally posted by Jeff Button http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news...ov=st&type=lgns

I dunno I think if you go on ticketmaster you can still find tickets for it ... ?!

There's lots of tickets left on craigslist at huge discounts. Lat minute people are desparate to sell them today.

I watched the game on TV and it seemed pretty dead in there. Hopefully, this will end any discussion of Toronto ever getting an NFL team. Toronto couldn't even sell out this game and it appeared to be very quiet in the stadium.

Amazing time yesterday and I'm paying for it today. Got into the Bud Tailgating area around noon and lasted until 3:00 pm - thank God for dressing in layers and my Uggs. Dome was packed at game time with a great vibe from all the diehard fans. I think the one-game-per-year option is great for Toronto but I don't see a full time NFL team working here. Glad I got to go and will definitely go again next year.

It was so f'ing cold!!!!!!!!

I didn't last more than 2hrs at the tailgate (also got there for 12). They gave out toques at the entrance thankfully. I pigged out on the oysters, had bison ribs and sushi, and some free drinks. We then went to the dome where it was nicely climate controlled. The food was great, I ate lots of crab cakes, and jumbo shrimp with mojito salza. They had plenty of food layed out for anyone to take as they pleased.

Kreesha Turner totally wrecked our national anthem, sang too slow and pitchy, the crowd got so annoyed we started singing over her until the whole stadium drowned her out... such an embarassment for her.

The game was boring if you're a Bills fan, since all the great plays were by the Dolphins. I'll do it again next year if again I pick up some good seats again from the desparate last minute sellers on Craigslist.

Keep this Bills in Buffalo!

1) Toronto crowds for most events resembles a funeral
2) We overcharge for everything
3) Its illegal to tailgate here. Think of the parking fines and drinking fines! Unless they loosen the Nanny rules here it's a no go.
4) We can barely sell out the stadium when it's a novelty. Just think of a few years from now.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Keep this Bills in Buffalo! 1) Toronto crowds for most events resembles a funeral 2) We overcharge for everything 3) Its illegal to tailgate here. Think of the parking fines and drinking fines! Unless they loosen the Nanny rules here it's a no go. 4) We can barely sell out the stadium when it's a novelty. Just think of a few years from now.

1) because only the very rich could afford to go. Re:Leafs crowds.
2) because the NFL believed they could get away with charging an arm and a leg. And they could.
3) yeah, I'm sure you've made some whining post about it when Dalton/Harper made a law banning it.
4) see 2) above and think of the maximization of the supply/demand curve, maximum price charged per person willing to pay such premium amounts.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy 1) because only the very rich could afford to go. Re:Leafs crowds. 2) because the NFL believed they could get away with charging an arm and a leg. And they could. 3) yeah, I'm sure you've made some whining post about it when Dalton/Harper made a law banning it. 4) see 2) above and think of the maximization of the supply/demand curve, maximum price charged per person willing to pay such premium amounts.

you have to remember how much Rogers had to pay to get all these games. They paid $78 Million for the 8 games (thats 9.75 Mill a game). With approximately 54,000 seats for each game that would make each seat worth $180.56. They really didn't have a choice but to have the tickets so expensive.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced you have to remember how much Rogers had to pay to get all these games. They paid $78 Million for the 8 games (thats 9.75 Mill a game). With approximately 54,000 seats for each game that would make each seat worth $180.56. They really didn't have a choice but to have the tickets so expensive.

I'm not disputing that. But remember, the NFL stood to make over double what they'd normally have made on a regular game in Buffalo. Also keep in mind, corporate advertising pays for a chunk of that as well. The TV deal is already had and owned by the Bills franchise, which in itself would have paid for another hefty chunk itself.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy I'm not disputing that. But remember, the NFL stood to make over double what they'd normally have made on a regular game in Buffalo. Also keep in mind, corporate advertising pays for a chunk of that as well. The TV deal is already had and owned by the Bills franchise, which in itself would have paid for another hefty chunk itself.

I can't imagine that Rogers would have received anything from the TV Deal. Rogers would have made money on any in stadium advertising and concessions...I am sure the Bills probably got a portion of that as well.

Rogers and the team that put this together are not making substantial money from this venture. The real hope was to see what interest there is in a NFL Team in Toronto. To me, it appears there isn't even close to enough interest in an NFL team in Toronto and anyone who has dreams of an NFL team in Toronto might as well kiss those dreams goodbye.

Ted Rogers was the man behind making this happening and he wanted to see an NFL team in toronto. With him passing away I think Rogers will back away from making any effort in obtaining an NFL team

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Rogers and the team that put this together are not making substantial money from this venture. The real hope was to see what interest there is in a NFL Team in Toronto. To me, it appears there isn't even close to enough interest in an NFL team in Toronto and anyone who has dreams of an NFL team in Toronto might as well kiss those dreams goodbye. Ted Rogers was the man behind making this happening and he wanted to see an NFL team in toronto. With him passing away I think Rogers will back away from making any effort in obtaining an NFL team

They're not making any money at all... they're actually taking a HUGE loss with the series of events. They wanted a profit, but the failures of high pricing and bad 3 and 8 game packaging caused less than expected sales, and had to sell them by other means and giving many of them away. There was a great star article on this after the first game in August. Not to make themselves look like a failure, they expressed they did it for the good of the city and not to pake a profit... nice out, eh?

Personally, I don't even think the skydome is built for NFL football.

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Originally posted by Rook Personally, I don't even think the skydome is built for NFL football.

I very much agree... look at all the seats they tarped over in the best locations;



The best seats in the house were covered up with logo'd tarp. Sure they don't want people to throw stuff at the bench... but is it like this in a CFL game? Anyone know?

It looks like you are too far from the field of play. The Skydome wasn't designed for an NFL size field. If Toronto ever has a chance for an NFL team it will need a new stadium or a huge renovation to the Skydome.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I can't imagine that Rogers would have received anything from the TV Deal. Rogers would have made money on any in stadium advertising and concessions...I am sure the Bills probably got a portion of that as well.

They didn't get anything off the TV deal.
This is why I said 'would'.

But if Toronto had it's own franchise, that would be an additional source of revenue generated.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced It looks like you are too far from the field of play. The Skydome wasn't designed for an NFL size field. If Toronto ever has a chance for an NFL team it will need a new stadium or a huge renovation to the Skydome.

Yeah...... lets just sell the blue jays who watches baseball anyways, get a football teams instead it'll sell more tickets then baseball.

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag Yeah...... lets just sell the blue jays who watches baseball anyways, get a football teams instead it'll sell more tickets then baseball.

Don't be surprised if the Blue Jays get sold. Ted Rogers went against the word of his senior staff and bought the Jays. With Ted no longer running the company I can see them wanting to sell off the money pit that is the Blue Jays. They already let go a bunch of their marketing/sales people....and you don't normally downsize the part of the business that brings in money.

as a die hard fan....i am embarrassed of the product that you folks had to watch yesterday...the bills have become the laughing stock of the NFL

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Originally posted by Oldman1313 as a die hard fan....i am embarrassed of the product that you folks had to watch yesterday...the bills have become the laughing stock of the NFL

and it was so classy how the one guy blamed the fans for the loss, "it didn't feel like we had home advantage"

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy 1) because only the very rich could afford to go. Re:Leafs crowds. 2) because the NFL believed they could get away with charging an arm and a leg. And they could. 3) yeah, I'm sure you've made some whining post about it when Dalton/Harper made a law banning it. 4) see 2) above and think of the maximization of the supply/demand curve, maximum price charged per person willing to pay such premium amounts.

1)Toronto overcharges for everything including leaf games, concerts, parking, rent, restaurant food. You name it.

2)Obviously they wont get away with it for long. There arent enough corporate sponsors for 55000 seats.

3) Actually most of the laws that affect a tailgate party are municipal with exception being the provincial drinking laws. These were in place long before dullton and miller but i dont expect these nanny state clowns to liberalize these laws anytime soon. PS: Harper has nothing to do with it, he's federal.

4) In this case, the price will have to come down and the product will have to improve. People arent willing to pay these prices as has already been illustrated.

Lastly, there is a reason a lot of people go to buffalo, detroit, columbus etc to see a leaf game. Because even with gas and hotel its still cheaper than tickets to a toronto game. This is why i suggest that real Bills fans from toronto would want to keep the bills in Buffalo. If toronto wants NFL we should have our own team so that we dont wreck another team's tradition and history.

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