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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I just don't get it one bit. This is supposed to be a political debate forum, right? Am I in the right place? The c0r gets so much shit for its antics but clearly, when Mongo broke from his leash, he came stampeding through here.

I hope the irony of what I'm about to do is appreciated.



I'm not sure but I suspect they both are named Mongo.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} The WP article in question exists, albeit, I'm not racing through my tickle-trunk looking for Gabriel's Horn, quite yet. EXECUTIVE ORDER ....

May I add in my own, significantly smaller, US policy knowledge:

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]Originally posted by US Bail-out 14 TITLE IV—EXTENSION OF TAX 15 ADMINISTRATION PROVISIONS 16 SEC. 401. PERMANENT AUTHORITY FOR UNDERCOVER OP17 ERATIONS. 18 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 7608(c) (relating to rules 19 relating to undercover operations) is amended by striking 20 paragraph (6). 21 (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendment made by 22 this section shall apply to operations conducted after the 23 date of the enactment of this Act. Page 297 1 SEC. 402. PERMANENT AUTHORITY FOR DISCLOSURE OF 2 INFORMATION RELATING TO TERRORIST AC3 TIVITIES. 4 (a) DISCLOSURE OF RETURN INFORMATION TO AP5 PRISE APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS OF TERRORIST ACTIVI6 TIES.—Subparagraph (C) of section 6103(i)(3) is amend7 ed by striking clause (iv). 8 (b) DISCLOSURE UPON REQUEST OF INFORMATION 9 RELATING TO TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.—Paragraph (7) of 10 section 6103(i) is amended by striking subparagraph (E). 11 (c) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by 12 this section shall apply to disclosures after the date of the 13 enactment of this Act.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I'm not sure but I suspect they both are named Mongo. [/cor]

Guy on the right looks like he's from the woods...

wait a sec...

is that-


is that...

Q5echo?

I would never have thought him to be so calloused as to show his face; judging from his [lack of] response to direct questioning.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Only on the internet, my ignorant friend, would you ever get away with telling me to 'shut the fuck up'. Doughboys don't get respect, you guys get knocked out. Learn some freakin manner's, CORboy. I'm not starting a hypothetical fist fight here with you either, only to remind you that we're all human beings, and I don't condescend to you [granted the temptation is there ]. If you'd like to know more about the police state, perhaps you might peruse and research the following: Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen: EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.

I did some research and the congress never passed those bills. So none of those are LAWS. Plus, most people are overreacting. The military will not do anything crazy.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru I did some research and the congress never passed those bills. So none of those are LAWS. Plus, most people are overreacting. The military will not do anything crazy.

why am i not surprised neither cougar nor b.s.e. could manage to research the topic properly, and merely swallow anything they read on the net?

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru I did some research and the congress never passed those bills. So none of those are LAWS. Plus, most people are overreacting. The military will not do anything crazy.

Executive Orders bypass congress. n00b.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN why am i not surprised neither cougar nor b.s.e. could manage to research the topic properly, and merely swallow anything they read on the net?

Why am I not surprised you threw a penny into the pool and stole a nickel?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN why am i not surprised neither cougar nor b.s.e. could manage to research the topic properly, and merely swallow anything they read on the net?

As an afterthought, kudos on rushing into a wall so easily.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Executive Orders bypass congress. n00b.

Nope, you are still mistaken. Everything you posted is ILLEGAL and will never be enforced.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru Nope, you are still mistaken. Everything you posted is ILLEGAL and will never be enforced.

Sir, you are a fool. Good day.

*edit*

Or present your case.

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Originally posted by guerra-monstru Nope, you are still mistaken. Everything you posted is ILLEGAL and will never be enforced.

b.s.e. learns everything he knows from the web, at places like prisonplanet. you will find there are very few conspiracy ideas that he doesn't subscribe to, and only believes information that conforms to his worldview.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I hope the irony of what I'm about to do is appreciated. I'm not sure but I suspect they both are named Mongo. [/cor]

Does anyone else see what is completely out of place in this picture? =P

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN b.s.e. learns everything he knows from the web, at places like prisonplanet. you will find there are very few conspiracy ideas that he doesn't subscribe to, and only believes information that conforms to his worldview.

What are you basing this conjecture on? Ignorance? Nearsighted semantics with no real ground, or poignancy? You're entertaining like a Jehovah's Witness at my door. Which is pretty entertaining.

All that aside, EO's override Congress.

So you might as well bite the pillow.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Does anyone else see what is completely out of place in this picture? =P

Yeah, as if that dude in the background is making such a crazy face? Maybe they were all gooned on LSD.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN b.s.e. learns everything he knows from the web, at places like prisonplanet. you will find there are very few conspiracy ideas that he doesn't subscribe to, and only believes information that conforms to his worldview.

You sound like a 12 year old, stoking the 12 year old mob-mentality.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} What are you basing this conjecture on?

all the retarded, fallacious or dishonest posts that you make, duh.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN all the retarded, fallacious or dishonest posts that you make, duh.

You're such a troll. I dub thee Trlol. Because you're a goddamn joke.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} You're such a troll. I dub thee Trlol. Because you're a goddamn joke.

you believe that christianity is really sun worship.
you believe central banks are out to get you.
you believe 911 was orchestrated by the US government.
you believe anything films like zeitgeist tell you.

and you think im the joke!?

You don't know me, do you? You pretend to know me. That's a whole lot of generalisation.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you believe that christianity is really sun worship.

I believe it is a fraud, and have noted the similarities between the symbolism of the sun, and it's central theme in Christianity. What you are referring to, obviously is the debate you and I had a year ago. Intelligent people refine their ideas, constantly. Let me apologise for the zealous behaviour. Let's move on, Trlol.

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you believe central banks are out to get you.

I am not affected by the Fed: I live in Canada. To me, to the uninterested, it seems like a scam. I don't give a shit about money, really, so let's move on once again.

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you believe 911 was orchestrated by the US government.

No. You fool. 9/11 was orchestrated by a rogue faction of insiders, it's pretty obvious to most of the world.

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you believe anything films like zeitgeist tell you. and you think im the joke!?

I pretty disappointed with Zeitgeist 2. Zeitgeist was fairly informative for someone who hadn't research areas like that before. Honestly, all you are accomplishing is libel, and it's pretty pathetic. So in that respect, yes, you are a joke.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I am not affected by the Fed: I live in Canada. To me, to the uninterested, it seems like a scam. I don't give a shit about money, really, so let's move on once again.

oh, canada doesn't have a central bank (like every other country in the world)?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} You fool. 9/11 was orchestrated by a rogue faction of insiders, it's pretty obvious to most of the world.

really? here's a recent survey for you published in the JM&C, enjoy

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The Pentagon was not struck by an airliner but instead was hit by a cruise missile fired by the military. Very likely 6.1 Somewhat likely 6.0 Not likely 80.4 Don’t know 7.4 Other 0.1 The collapse of the Twin Towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings. Very likely 5.8 Somewhat likely 10.2 Not likely 77.4 Don't know 6.5 Other 0.1 above numbers in Percent N= 1,010 Education Twin Towers bombed / Missile hit Pentagon High school grad beta -.660 p=(.141) odds.517 / beta-.582 p=(.215) odds .559 Some college beta -.882 p=(.050) odds .414 / beta -.880 p=(.069) odds .415 College grad beta -.548 p=(.268) odds .578 / beta -1.211 p=(.027)* odds .298 Postgraduate beta -.964 p=(.097) odds .381 / beta -1.314 p=(.030)*odds .269 Race Twin Towers bombed / Missile hit pentagon African American beta .790 p=(.042)* odds 2.203 / beta .795 p=(.054) odds 2.214 Asian American beta .635 p=(.264) odds 1.887 / beta 1.382 p=(.015)* odds 3.983 Hispanic beta .618 p=(.164) odds 1.855 / beta 1.148 p=(.013)* odds 3.152 Marital Status Twin Towers bombed / Missile Hit Pentagon Not Married beta.602 p=(.022)* odds .546 / beta .315 p=(.265) odds .730 Sex Twin Towers Bombed / Missile Hit Pentagon Female beta.732 p=(.010)* odds 2.065 / beta .319 p=(.273) odds 1.385 Age Twin Towers Bombed / Missile Hit Pentagon Age 18-24 beta .686 p=(.192) odds 2.061 / beta .222 p=(.711) odds 1.207 Age 25-34 beta.902 p=(.047)* odds 2.542 / beta 1.332 p=(.005)* odds 3.691 Age 35-44 beta.272 p=(.543) odds 1.338 / beta -.050 p=(.925) odds .937 Age 45-54 beta.163 p=(.666) odds 1.192 / beta .604 p=(.131) odds 1.813 Age 55-64 beta -.737 p=(.128) odds .489 / beta -.352 p=(.487) odds .693 Reference Groups (respectively): Less than high school diploma, White, Married, Male, & Age 65 and over. * means statistically significant difference; set at p <.05. Education There was a negative association with education and belief in the "Twin Towers" conspiracy, but there was no statistically significant difference between the groups. There was, however, a statistically significant difference for the “Pentagon” conspiracy, confirming that the lowest educated people will be more likely to believe in at least one of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Race There was a statistically significant difference between African American and the reference group (whites) for the "Twin Towers" conspiracy, but none between the other minority groups. There was a statistically significant difference between Hispanics and Asian American/other and the reference group for the "Pentagon" conspiracy, but none between the reference group and African Americans. Marital status There was a statistically significant difference between the two groups for the "Twin Towers" conspiracy, but not the “Pentagon conspiracy.” The findings show what was expected, unmarried people are more likely to believe in at least one 9/11 conspiracy theory. Age The regression showed that persons aged 24-34 are positively associated with both conspiracy theories. All number from: Journalism & Mass Communication Quarterly Vol. 84, No. 2 Summer 2007 Stempel, C., Hargrove, T., Stempel III, G.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN oh, canada doesn't have a central bank (like every other country in the world)?

What's your point? Nothing.

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really? here's a recent survey for you published in the JM&C, enjoy

Great. That 80 percent accounts for what, the upper percentile? No.

I'm not interested in speaking to someone whose goal in a thread is character assassination. Grow up. You use the phrase willingly enough, you ought to hold up your end of the bargain and not be a hypocrite.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} What's your point? Nothing.

that your fear-mongering of central banks is completely misguided and ignorant.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I'm not interested in speaking to someone whose goal in a thread is character assassination. Grow up. You use the phrase willingly enough, you ought to hold up your end of the bargain and not be a hypocrite.

you reap what you sow.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that your fear-mongering of central banks is completely misguided and ignorant.

You've mistaken me with someone else. You'll find that I haven't made a comment on the Central Banking scheme in months. You will find, however, statements implying I have no interest.

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you reap what you sow.

No I don't. You follow people around and attempt to call them names, and other petty bullshit. I stated fact that Executive Orders bypass congress, and here I am entwined in a waste of time with no other than you, Trlol. It's pedantic, unwarranted and childish.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} No I don't. You follow people around and attempt to call them names, and other petty bullshit. I stated fact that Executive Orders bypass congress, and here I am entwined in a waste of time with no other than you, Trlol. It's pedantic, unwarranted and childish.

no, i only follow the CTers around. im rather respectful to most of the rest of the people. like i said, you already displayed a certain reluctance to engage in real debate and the weighing up of factual evidence, so now this is just what we're reduced to. i'll leave you alone as soon as you stop posting obvious BS regurgitated from the likes of prisonplanet.

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