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Posted by Vermz on Dec-03-2008 20:16:

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


Posted by elFreak on Dec-03-2008 20:22:




Posted by fullhouse on Dec-03-2008 20:39:

siboire 2 colisse 2 fuck esti


Posted by elFreak on Dec-03-2008 20:51:

that was probably closer to english than most of the posts you make.


Posted by Fran666 on Dec-03-2008 22:50:

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http://www.pierrefalardeau.com

Le Temps des bouffons (French for Time of the Buffoons) is a short film created (and narrated) in 1985 by Quebec director Pierre Falardeau.

It compares English rule in Ghana with English Canadian dominance in Quebec by showing the 200th anniversary celebration of the Beaver Club of Montreal. Falardeau speaks slowly and angrily during scenes of the Canadian �lite laughing and toasting each other, some in pseudo-Colonial costume.

The film was shot in 1985 but never shown until 1993

Literally: The time of the clowns.

We are magnificent people and I raise my hat to all of us. You are as beautiful as I think I am. - Roger D. Landry

The first movie released by Pierre Falardeau, in 1985. He and his team sneaked in the Queen Elizabeth Hotel, in Montreal, for the 200th anniversary of the Beaver Club, led at he time by Roger D. Landry (he owned the La Presse newspaper). Ok, they did not really sneak in the hotel, they told them they were students doing a short film for school. If only they had known what would happen later...
This film, for those not familiar with French Quebec's old fight with English Canadians, is about the oppression endured for centuries. You may not agree with that, it's all right.

Le Temps des Bouffons is only 15-minutes long but it feels like an hour. It's simply a mix of clips and images taken at the banquet with Falardeau's non-stop voice-over leading us through it. He's angry. He's bitter. The director makes comparisons with the situation in Ghana. It's all about English people raping poorer French Quebecers. It's about a nation fighting to keep its native language. It's about a nation wanting its own country. All right, the movie was made more than 15 years ago, so it may not be up-to-date. But still, it's a part of Quebec's culture. A lot of schools will show it during History courses. It's still appearing in theaters, from time to time.

Le Temps des Bouffons won the following prizes:


First Prize for Best Short Film, 1994, Sudbury, Ontario
First Prize for Best Short Film, 1995, Bilbao, Basque Country
Best Research at Clermont-Ferrand Festival, 1995, France


Text from the movie (in french):

On est au Ghana en 1957, avant l'ind�pendance. Jean Rouch tourne un documentaire, Les Ma�tres fous, sur la religion des Haoukas. Chaque ann�e, les membres de la secte se r�unissent pour f�ter. Ils sont poss�d�s. Poss�d�s par des dieux qui s'appellent le gouverneur, le secr�taire g�n�ral, la femme du gouverneur, le g�n�ral, la femme du docteur. En 1957, le Ghana, c'est une colonie britanique... quelques rois n�gres pour faire semblant, mais les vrais ma�tres sont anglais. Une colonie avec tout le kit: Union Jack, God Save the Queen, perruques, cornemuse, pis la face de la reine en prime. Ici, on conna�t.
La religion Haoukas reproduit le syst�me colonial en plus petit, mais � l'envers. Les colonis�s se d�guisent en colonisateurs, les exploit�s jouent le r�le des exploiteurs, les esclaves deviennent les ma�tres. Une fois par ann�e, les pauvres mangent du chien. Une fois par ann�e, les fous sont ma�tres. Le reste du temps, les ma�tres sont fous.

On est au Qu�bec en 1985. Chaque ann�e, la bourgeoisie coloniale se rassemble au Queen Elizabeth Hotel pour le banquet du Beaver Club. Ici, pas de poss�d�s, juste des poss�dants. A la table d'honneur, avec leur fausse barbe et leur chapeau en carton, les lieutenants gouverneurs des 10 provinces, des hommes d'affaires, des juges, des Indiens de centre d'achats, des rois n�gres � peau blanche qui parlent bilingue. Comme au Ghana, on c�l�bre le vieux syst�me d'exploitation britanique. Mais ici, c'est � l'endroit. Ici, les ma�tres jouent le r�le des ma�tres, les esclaves restent des esclaves. Chacun � sa place!

- Bonsoir, mesdames et messieurs. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Roger Landry. I am your president of the Beaver Club. It is my privilege to welcome you to the twenty-seventh annual dinner of the Beaver Club celebrating this year the two-hundredth anniversary of the Beaver Club in Montreal. Sont r�unis ici ce soir, dans cette illustre enceinte, des personnalit�s dont le seul nom �voque assur�ment la grandeur et l'honorabilit�; puisque, en fait, � cette table ils sont tous honorables. En titre... Mais rassurez-vous, ce soir, exceptionnellement, ils redeviennent tous humains et les r�gles du protocole sont d�s maintenant abolies. Avant de ce faire, j'ai re�u, il y a quelques instants, a few minutes ago this telegram: I am very sorry that I am unable to be with you tonight, but I am pleased to be able to send congratulations on the occasion of the anniversaries. Je vous souhaite � tous une soir� agr�able et au Beaver Club beaucoup de succ�s dans les ann�es � venir. The right honorable prime minister of Canada, Brian Mulroney."

Des bourgeois pleins de marde d'aujourd'hui d�guis�s en bourgeois pleins de marde d' autrefois c�l�brent le bon vieux temps. Le bon vieux temps, c'est la Conqu�te anglaise de 1760; par la force des armes, les marchands anglais s'emparent du commerce de la fourrure. Chaque ann�e, les grands boss se r�unissent pour f�ter leur fortune. Ils mangent, ils boivent, ils chantent. Ils s'appellent McGill, Ellice, Smith, Frobisher, Mackenzie. C'est ca, le Beaver Club il y a 200 ans. C'est la mafia de l'�poque. Ils ach�tent tout : les terres, les honneurs, les m�dailles, le pouvoir, tout ce qui s'ach�te. La gang de fourrure forme lentement l'�lite de la soci�t�. Les voleurs deviennent tranquillement d'honorables citoyens. Ils blanchissent l'argent sale en devenant banquiers, seigneurs, politiciens, juges. C'est �a, le Beaver Club au d�but.

Deux cents ans plus tard, leurs descendants, devenus tout � fait respectables, font revivre cette f�te par excellence de l'exploitation coloniale. Le gros Maurice, ministre des For�ts, devenu boss d'une multinationale du papier. Jeanne Sauv�, sa femme, administrateure de Bombardier, d'Industrial Insurance, et gouverneuse g�n�rale. Marc Lalonde, ancien ministre des Finances, maintenant au conseil d'administration de la City Bank of Canada. Francis Fox, ministre des Communications, engag�; par Astral Communications. Toute la gang des Canadiens fran�ais de service est l�, costum� en rois n�gres biculturels. Des anciens poiticiens devenus hommes d'affaires. Des anciens hommes d'affaires devenus politiciens. Des futurs politiciens encore hommes d'affaires.

Toute la rapace est l�: des boss pis des femmes de boss, des barons de la finance, des rois de la pizza congel�e, des mafiosos de l'immobilier. Toute la gang des bienfaiteurs de l'humanit�. Des charognes � qui on �l�ve des monuments, des profiteurs qui passent pour des philanthropes, des pauvres types amis du r�gime d�guis�s en s�nateurs s�niles, des bonnes femmes au cul trop serr�, des petites plottes qui sucent pour monter jusqu'au top, des journalistes rampants habill� en �ditorialistes serviles, des avocats v�reux, costum�s en juges � 100 000$ par ann�e, des liche-culs qui se prennent pour des artistes. Toute la gang est l� : un beau ramassis d'insignifiants chrom�s, m�daill�s, cravat�s, vulgaires et grossiers avec leurs costumes chics et leurs bijoux de luxe. Ils puent le parfum cher. Sont riches pis sont beaux; affreusement beaux avec leurs dents affreusement blanches pis leur peau affreusement rose. Et ils f�tent...

Au Ghana, une fois par ann�e, les pauvres imitent les riches. Ici, ce soir, les riches imitent les riches. Chacun � sa place... Les bourgeois anglais se d�guisent en bourgeois anglais, les collabos bilingues s'habillent en collabos bilingues, souriant et satisfaits, les �cossais sortent leur jupe �cossaise, les Indiens se mettent des plumes dans le cul pour faire autochtones. On d�guise les Qu�b�cois en musiciens pis en waiters. Les immigr�s? Comme les Qu�b�cois, en waiters! Chemises � carreaux et ceintures fl�ch�e. Manque juste les raquettes pis les canisses de sirop d'�rable. Des porteurs d'eau d�guis�s en porteurs de champagne. Alouette, gentille alouette!

C'est toute l'histoire du Qu�bec en raccourci. Toute la r�alit� du Qu�bec en r�sum� : claire, nette pour une fois, comme grossie � la loupe. Ce soir, les ma�tres f�tent le bon vieux temps. Ils f�tent l'�ge d'or et le paradis perdu. Ils crient haut et fort, sans g�ne, leur droit au profit, leur droit � l'exploitation, leur droit � la sueur des autres. Ils boivent � leurs succ�s. Ils chantent que tout va bien, que rien ne doit changer, que c'est pour toujours... toujours aux m�mes, toujours les m�mes.

Ils sont pareils partout... � New York, � Paris, � Mexico. Je les ai vus � Moscou vomir leur champagne et leur caviar sur leurs habits Pierre Cardin. Je les ai vus � Bangkok fourrer des enfants, filles ou gar�ons, pour une poign�e de petit change. Je les ai vus � Montr�al dans leur bureau avec leurs sales yeux de boss, leur sale voix de boss, leur sale face de boss, hautains, m�prisants, arrogants. Des crott�s avec leur chemise blanche pis leur Aqua Velva. Minables avec leur Mercedes pis leur raquette de tennis ridicule. Comme des rats morts. Gras et �pais avec leurs farces plates pis leurs partys de cabane � sucre. Pleins de marde jusqu'au bord � force de b�tise et de pr�tention. Crosseurs, menteurs, voleurs. Et �a se reproduit de p�re en fils. Une honte pour l'humanit�!

Au Ghana, les pauvres mangent du chien. Ici, c'est les chiens qui mangent du pauvre. Et ils prennent leur air surpris quand on en met un dans une valise de char.

- Ensemble, merci au chef, nos applaudissements, nous lui disons merci. Ladies and gentlemen, together let's thank magnificently. Bravo! Et maintenant, as president of the Beaver Club, may I say to you the following : never any club has been so honoured and so magnificently rewarded on its two-hundredth anniversary to have such a magnificent membership as you are. A vous tous, nos membres, � nous tous, applaudissons-nous. We are magnificent people and I raise my hat to all of us. Bravo. You are as beautiful as I think I am. Thank you very much. Good evening. Bravo. Good night. Tout le monde, les serviettes, on f�te, on t�moigne notre appr�ciation. Everyone, yes, that's right! Bravo.

Applaudissons-nous. We are magnificent people. Quelle boufonnerie!

- Bravo. God bless you.

"Ils ne sont grands que parce que nous sommes � genoux."
La Bo�tie



...this explains why lol


Posted by julien2 on Dec-03-2008 23:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Neo Hacker
lol

I'm not a racist seriously. I'm just saying the facts. It is a fact that there are more and more immigrants in Quebec and a lot of them don't care about French. Some of them don't even speak French OR English !

I'm just saying if you come live in Quebec, either speak French or English.

We need immigrants in Quebec because we are not enough people, but this is also the fact for the whole Canada. Vancouver has a lot of asian people.

Seriously, don't call me a racist men. I'm just being realistic by saying the facts.


You might not be a racist, but you sure are ignorant.

Every sociological study concludes that by the third generation, immigrants are fully integrated in society, and that is also with language.

Because of Loi 101, the majority of immigrants are integrated into French culture. French speaking immigrants are also preferred over other immigrants (Canada's immigration policy is point-based) because of a immigration agreement with federal government.

Loi 101 has pretty much saved Canada. Without it, Quebec would have separated long ago lol.


Posted by julien2 on Dec-03-2008 23:14:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
Also it is not only Quebec that suffers from immigrants that do not try to adapt to the culture of their new home. Every nation that allows immigration has these same problems. It is a very small price to pay to be able to have people to do the jobs most Quebecers think they are too good for. we need these people, because Quebecers in general are very lazy workers.


Yes. Every nation faces those problems today. And Quebec is one of the nations who has it the easiest. This country was built with immigration.

French (1608)
English (1760)
Irish and Scottish (19th century)
Eastern Europe (beginning 20th)
Italian, Portuguese (1940-50)
All others after that (latinos, vietnamese and magreb)


We know how to deal with it and we have pretty much mastered the art of it. Of course there are some conflicts and culture shocks. But overall, when we compare to Europe, we have it good. Europe is freaking out cause the first massive immigration took place 40 years ago and europeans did not expect it and did not want to integrate them.

Compared to Europe, our immigrants are wonderfully integrated and accepted. But I don't worry, as I stated earlier, studies show that by the 3rd generation, immigrants are fully naturalised. Studies in Quebec have even proved that 3rd generation immigrants have exactly the same political opinions than the rest of the population, even on sovereignty (40% for, 60% against are latest numbers, even for 3rd generation immigrants). As soon as Europe realizes that and implements laws and programs to better integrate immigrants, there will be a lot less discrimination and racism over there.


Posted by julien2 on Dec-03-2008 23:35:

It's so sad that Pierre Falardeau would use such bad language.

What he says is basically right, yet his ways always discredit him.


Posted by Fran666 on Dec-04-2008 00:10:

quote:
Originally posted by julien2
It's so sad that Pierre Falardeau would use such bad language.

What he says is basically right, yet his ways always discredit him.


100% agree... but he is not a politician not his job to say things the pauline marois way lol


Posted by elFreak on Dec-04-2008 00:58:

if by the pauline marois way you mean stupidly then i agree.

god she is thick.


Posted by Fran666 on Dec-04-2008 01:43:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
if by the pauline marois way you mean stupidly then i agree.

god she is thick.


what do you think... lol


Posted by malek on Dec-04-2008 03:13:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
Quebecers in general are very lazy workers.


watch it.

I have worked with lots of different people and I could tell you that being as black or white as you seem to put is completely ignorant and stupid especially coming from an older dude like you. You should be wiser than that.

Quebecois are far from being the laziest in the workplace, I actually admire some of them who day in day out are able to be at the office before me and out after me


Posted by malek on Dec-04-2008 03:21:

Parizeau avait raison

Dire que nous avons condamn� les propos de Parizeau, le traitant m�me de "dangereux d'extr�me droite", "d'Hitler" parce qu'il avait dit la v�rit�. Dire que nous serions peut-�tre en train de f�ter le dixi�me anniversaire de la naissance d'un nouveau pays le QU�BEC. J'ai pleur� � l'�poque devant cette d�faite, aujourd'hui je rage. Tout �a orchestr� par des qu�b�cois. Triste r�alit�.

Voici les propos de Beno�t Corbeil. Venant de l'ancien directeur g�n�ral du Parti lib�ral du Canada au Qu�bec

� Aujourd'hui, si on me pose la question (M. Parizeau avait-il raison), je suis oblig� de dire oui, a dit M. Corbeil au cours d'un entretien, hier. Venant de moi, c'est assez particulier. C'est clair que la strat�gie (du Parti lib�ral), c'�tait de faire sortir le vote ethnique au maximum. Si nous avions gagn� par 300 000 �lecteurs, j'aurais dit non (c'est-�-dire que M. Parizeau n'avait pas raison). Mais lorsqu'on regarde les r�sultats du r�f�rendum, la r�ponse est oui. �

Les forces du NON ont gagn� le r�f�rendum par un peu plus de 50 000 voix (50,6 % du total). M. Corbeil �tait d�j� actif au sein du Parti lib�ral du Canada au Qu�bec (PLC-Q). Il dit qu'il a pu voir, de proche, comment le bureau du premier ministre Jean Chr�tien a agi pour le gagner.

� Il y a eu une acc�l�ration du processus menant � la citoyennet� de milliers d'immigrants au Qu�bec, dit-il. Ce n'�tait pas difficile: plusieurs commissaires � l'immigration �taient li�s au parti. Jean Chr�tien a fait un discours � la nation, un en fran�ais et un autre en anglais, qui n'�tait pas identique et qui contenait un message particulier pour les groupes ethniques. �

� Puis il y a eu la fameuse manifestation d'amour du Canada au centre-ville de Montr�al. Bien qu'actif au parti, je n'ai �t� mis au courant qu'� la derni�re minute. J'�tais charg� d'aller chercher les manifestants du Manitoba � l'a�roport de Dorval. Je les ai amen�s en autobus jusqu'au square Dominion. Puis je suis mont� au 33e �tage du Ch�teau Champlain; il y avait l� plusieurs membres du bureau du premier ministre et d'autres personnes qui surveillaient la manifestation, arm�s de jumelles et de cam�ras. �

C'�tait clair que l'organisation de la manifestation avait co�t� tr�s cher, et c'�tait aussi clair que cette d�pense ne respectait pas la loi sur les r�f�rendums au Qu�bec, ajoute M. Corbeil. Selon lui, le programme de commandites a suivi dans cet �tat d'esprit: il fallait combattre le mouvement souverainiste par tous les moyens, c'est-�-dire avec beaucoup d'argent, quitte � ne pas toujours respecter la loi.

� � l'�poque, pour moi, les d�clarations de Jacques Parizeau (ancien premier ministre du Qu�bec), c'�tait de la folie. Avec le recul, 10 ans plus tard, je dis que ce n'�tait pas une folie. �

Pascal Garceau


Posted by elFreak on Dec-04-2008 03:49:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
watch it.

I have worked with lots of different people and I could tell you that being as black or white as you seem to put is completely ignorant and stupid especially coming from an older dude like you. You should be wiser than that.

Quebecois are far from being the laziest in the workplace, I actually admire some of them who day in day out are able to be at the office before me and out after me


You do know that statistically Quebecers put in less hours in the workplace than in the rest of canada? How many people do you know holding down 60 hours to get ahead(not talking cash here, career.)?

This does not mean every Quebecer is lazy, but there are many who are very care free when it comes to taking careers seriously. Many get stuck here quicker at lower wages due to this. You also can not ignore that Quebec does not only count Montreal.

I thought you were seperatist man...Lucien Bouchard called the Quebecois lazy a few years back. He did this for pretty much the same reasons as stated, and like him or not he was Premier and probably knows a thing or 2.


Posted by malek on Dec-04-2008 04:08:

of course i know about what Lucien said, but his intention wasn't to call everyone lazy. If you look at the document submitted that night, and the press conference was about that, it was about over-unionization and little productivity because companies don't invest enough in better tools.

You can work hard as a donkey every day but if you don't have the right tools, you won't produce shit. Also unionized workers usually have shorter weeks (35h is the maximum in govt for example).


Posted by elFreak on Dec-04-2008 04:09:

Don't even get me started on fucking unions


Posted by malek on Dec-04-2008 04:12:

same here man... i was unionized against my will for 4 years


Posted by Fran666 on Dec-04-2008 04:16:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
You do know that statistically Quebecers put in less hours in the workplace than in the rest of canada? How many people do you know holding down 60 hours to get ahead(not talking cash here, career.)?

This does not mean every Quebecer is lazy, but there are many who are very care free when it comes to taking careers seriously. Many get stuck here quicker at lower wages due to this. You also can not ignore that Quebec does not only count Montreal.

I thought you were seperatist man...Lucien Bouchard called the Quebecois lazy a few years back. He did this for pretty much the same reasons as stated, and like him or not he was Premier and probably knows a thing or 2.


all statitics don't take in count black market which is mostly based in quebec and is estimated at 25% canadian gross production. So people probably work more but not accounted for. this is what happen in countries with high taxes. higher the taxes, higher the black economy. Scandinavians are the exception, but they have way more troubling problems with all their conformist society.


Posted by elFreak on Dec-04-2008 04:21:

You don't pay your taxes you don't count, and should not be allowed any rights. Burdens.


Posted by Fran666 on Dec-04-2008 04:46:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
You don't pay your taxes you don't count, and should not be allowed any rights. Burdens.


i know but it exist and trust me banque du canada counts on it right now lol

spend the drug money, spend the drug money lol


Posted by julien2 on Dec-04-2008 05:06:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
You do know that statistically Quebecers put in less hours in the workplace than in the rest of canada? How many people do you know holding down 60 hours to get ahead(not talking cash here, career.)?

This does not mean every Quebecer is lazy, but there are many who are very care free when it comes to taking careers seriously. Many get stuck here quicker at lower wages due to this. You also can not ignore that Quebec does not only count Montreal.

I thought you were seperatist man...Lucien Bouchard called the Quebecois lazy a few years back. He did this for pretty much the same reasons as stated, and like him or not he was Premier and probably knows a thing or 2.


I think this might be a cultural thing. I am not judging if it's right or wrong, but I think many Qu�b�cois have a more hedonistic way of life.

Famile/Leisure over work. I know of many people who would rather earn less but have more time to bike, spend time with children, or apply their time to whatever.

Compared to USA and Canada, I believe this way of life is more frequent in Quebec, whether it's a good thing or not.


Posted by Fran666 on Dec-04-2008 05:25:

this index includes gross domestic production per capita, leisure and criminal activity. Canada = 4th country in the world
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classement_IDH_des_pays

this index is gross domestic production per capita. Canada = 14th country in the world (by IMF calculation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nal)_per_capita

which tends to prove our points considering canada as a whole.

same thing applies for quebec vs canada... worse accounted figures, but when we get in the subjective we are better off.


Posted by Tagatron on Dec-04-2008 13:10:

I don't think anyone can argue that quebecois are not lazy. They do work less than everyone else in Canada. Look at France, they work less than any other european country and strike all the time.
French put higher values on other aspects of life other than career and money. This isn't a bad thing, but don't try to argue that french aren't lazy.


Posted by zokissima on Dec-04-2008 14:59:

Interesting thread, some useful insight.

I am kind of nervous about moving to Montreal this spring. I speak very minimal French, but would like to learn. However, I've heard of some problems with finding same level positions within Montreal without French.


Posted by Passskal on Dec-04-2008 15:05:

quote:
Originally posted by julien2
I think this might be a cultural thing. I am not judging if it's right or wrong, but I think many Qu�b�cois have a more hedonistic way of life.

Famile/Leisure over work. I know of many people who would rather earn less but have more time to bike, spend time with children, or apply their time to whatever.

Compared to USA and Canada, I believe this way of life is more frequent in Quebec, whether it's a good thing or not.



totally with you on this. And many large Quebec companies actually encourage a good work-family balance and offer flexibility, extra days off, etc. kinda like it is in Europe.


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