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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Yes; what we detest should always be muffled by route of our own legislation.

yeah, because that's what happening

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov So put it in a poll then.

Fucking christ, if 8 out of 10 people agree on something dosent mean the other two dont even get a chance to voice their opinion. Get a clue.

This forum needs no modding other than closing spam threads.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, because that's what happening

Happened*

Past tense.

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Originally posted by Kinezi This forum needs no modding other than closing spam threads.

That's exactly what I used to say in the beginning.

Then I realised I had to impose a few limits, because there were endless arguments and flame wars, reason why I posted those 7 simple rules. I've been really cautious before doing any kind of intervention, but I realised that this laissez-faire approach of mine is probably one of the reasons why this forum has become so dull that it's become more interesting to discuss politics and philosophy on the CORe... which is a heavily moderated forum, ironically.

By the way, shaolin, I'm talking about this thread. Have I limited any of the opinions here?

Now, instead of crying and complaining your freedom of speech has been disrespected, can you guys please give constructive opinions and ideas on how to revitalise this forum? Jesus, stop blowing this out of proportion.

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Originally posted by Lira this forum has become so dull that it's become more interesting to discuss politics and philosophy on the CORe... which is a heavily moderated forum, ironically.

Sadly, this is absolutely true.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov You're kidding, right? The fact that one of Obama's 25 economic advisors was a member of a secretive fraternity is proof that he's out to run the whole world into the ground? This is one of the more extravagant examples of what Lira is talking about.

Ehh, I shouldn't have been so shallow in my statement, I came across as a bit ignorant. :P

I was referring to a link found within the post itself; the post itself being rather insane.

In essence, I rescind, the comment itself was out of context. Had the initial post in the thread in question been more coherent and less paranoid, an open discourse on Obama's foreign policy, etc. could have been had, or one could hope.

It's evident this forum is so divided that civil or productive debate has been rendered into rarity.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, maybe they can go have their 'open discourse' on prisonplanet, where no doubt the deeply-important policy discussions concerning masturbating in coffins can get their due attention and maybe change the world

And you can go post in the gaming forum, where you seem to have productive ideas and socialise like you don't have an Xbox up your ass. :P

I don't take cues from Alex Jones, my yout'.

Coffin-masturbation, while hilarious, has no place in the forum; I'll agree with you that much.

..You tend to generalise a bit, don't you?

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you would have to be one of the worst "judges" of just about anything in the PDD. so, coming from you, this statement is quite the compliment.

No bias there.
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Originally posted by Lira This forum has become so dull that it's become more interesting to discuss politics and philosophy on the CORe. Can you guys please give constructive opinions and ideas on how to revitalise this forum?

1. This deserves a thread on its own.
2. Although I'm not really in a position to criticise and suggest, being mostly a lazy lurker rather than a rich contribution to this board, here's what I was thinking:

- First, you will never again have this kind "euphoria" of the PDD's beginning stage. Back then, a handful of brave pioneers, lead by the great Izzy, were ready to emigrate from the CORe and establish a new home for the well-read, the Decartes lovers, the geeks and Middle Eastern zealots. A place of unlimited freedom for fruitful debates of infinte depth and wisdom. Everyone was extra motivated to pump this board up and demonstrate his cognitive abilities to the fullest. Well, this first motivational boost and that show-off phase are history. All the newbs are nowadays taking the PDD for granted, not realizing what extreme sacrifices needed to be made, what wars had to be fought, so that it were born. What is not appreciated is not treated accordingly.
- Too many threads. Not justified by the same number of topics. In fact, it's more like a daily soap with the same recycled storylines presented each time in the shape of another copied and pasted news article. However, I'm not sure if a limited number of "mega-threads" is a better alkternative. Say one sticky thread of the financial crisis, one for US domestic policy, one for the mid-east conflict, one for everything coming from Ahmadinejad's mouth etc. Such threads would soon become an endless game of ping pong between only 2 or 3 diehards, quickly scaring away all other potentially interested parties. It's just that nowadays 85% of the threads here are a quoted news article and 3 or 4 comments, none of which indicating that the author has even read the entire article. Perhaps raising a simple question or stating a provocative thesis without adding a 5.000 word interview would be enough if not better?
- Beyond the structural/organizational measures, something more personal: Everybody, get a fucking grip: Don't post for the sake of posting. Don't keep running some sort of campaign by dropping a few lines that support your general "agenda" on every remotely related occasion. Read, think, respond - to the topic and nothing else. And if you can't come up with something, don't force yourself. Better have a thread die than this forum be flooded with pseudo-political semi-spam.

You can't debate with the church of conspiracy theories. I think the 9/11 threads have already taught us that. They are here to bring us to the light, we who are in darkness.

Lira I agree with your decisions. If anyone wants to talk about conspiracy theories, there's plenty of conspiracy threads to search and post in.

This world is in recession, so is this room..

There is nothing interesting to discuss in world politics.. as their is no politics anymore..

During and after 9/11 I remember lot of heated arguments about Iraq and alike.. but after that everyone saw how US govt dosent give a shit about political opinion of people and does what it wants to do.. invade and kill and rape and poop and destroy and burn and shoot and kill.

What is their intelligent to discuss about you assholes?

Give it a break, their is no politics right now, its all dictatorship, dictatorship from USA.

So dont blame the people who oppose it.

Brand naming it 'conspiracy'? Go follow your FOX, CNN bullshit..

If their is nothing more interesting to discuss than the 'conspiracies' as you would like to call it, than close this Room temporarily for next 3-4 years..

Orelse go invade Iran and make Iraq so that this room comes alive again and you get interesting things to talk about.

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Originally posted by Kinezi This world is in recession, so is this room.. There is nothing interesting to discuss in world politics.. as their is no politics anymore.. During and after 9/11 I remember lot of heated arguments about Iraq and alike.. but after that everyone saw how US govt dosent give a shit about political opinion of people and does what it wants to do.. invade and kill and rape and poop and destroy and burn and shoot and kill. What is their intelligent to discuss about you assholes? Give it a break, their is no politics right now, its all dictatorship, dictatorship from USA. So dont blame the people who oppose it. Brand naming it 'conspiracy'? Go follow your FOX, CNN bullshit.. If their is nothing more interesting to discuss than the 'conspiracies' as you would like to call it, than close this Room temporarily for next 3-4 years.. Orelse go invade Iran and make Iraq so that this room comes alive again and you get interesting things to talk about.

My headache... it's getting worse...

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Originally posted by Lira this forum has become so dull that it's become more interesting to discuss politics and philosophy on the CORe... which is a heavily moderated forum, ironically.

I'm inclined to disagree with you, dude.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I'm inclined to disagree with you, dude.

When there is a discussion about politics/philosophy, that is.

Maybe we just need to unban Trancer-X so he can talk about the web of deceit that we live in

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Originally posted by verndogs Maybe we just need to unban Trancer-X so he can talk about the web of deceit that we live in

And disrupt the prevailing ignorant bliss? Never! lol

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z you should ban the clowns who turn those threads in to what we all loathe with their beautifully liberal use of profanity and insults...

Do you mean the flamebaiters who seek to disrupt and/or neutralize the discussion of anything that doesn't fit within the narrow confines of a certain ideological framework?

It's a funny coincidence that the FBI's stated mission (under COINTELPRO) was basically the same thing, "to expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize..."

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Originally posted by gallantrybot Do you mean the flamebaiters who seek to disrupt and/or neutralize the discussion of anything that doesn't fit within the narrow confines of a certain ideological framework? It's a funny coincidence that the FBI's stated mission (under COINTELPRO) was basically the same thing, "to expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize..."

You better silence yourself. We know who you are.

I don't usually quote from the Bible, but...

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Originally posted by Krypton You better silence yourself. We know who you are.

"The Wicked watches for the righteous, seeking to put him to death."

- Psalm 37:32

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Originally posted by gallantrybot "The Wicked watches for the righteous, seeking to put him to death." - Psalm 37:32

Shut up. Conform you!

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Originally posted by Krypton Shut up. Conform you!

Have you ever read Patrick Henry's "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" speech?

I never really thought about it until the other day but I seem to be a living example of that principle.

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Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death Patrick Henry March 23, 1775 No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings. Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us! They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come. It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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Originally posted by gallantrybot Have you ever read Patrick Henry's "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" speech?

Yes, read it in Political Science 1310.

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but I seem to be a living example of that principle.

Aren't we all...

I've always considered myself more of a modern Noah.

Anyone want to help me build an ark?

I'm Moses biaaaatch.

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I'm Jesus, lol

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Originally posted by gallantrybot

Wow. You're really fighting for freedom... in a trance music forum!

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