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-- Oscar Gabriel Pineda - Dark Light (December '08) [All Things House]
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Posted by Seppuku on Dec-08-2008 18:31:

Had a chance to give this a listen today, I was really digging it. There are a lot of great tracks in here, and the flow is really nice.

Great job.


Posted by kadomony on Dec-08-2008 20:51:

checkin it, back tomorrow with review :3


Posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs on Dec-08-2008 21:34:

In a post you said you were using a mouse and a keyboard, for what? DVS, Ableton?

Enjoyed the dark side better because of my personal musical tastes, but I feel you excelled in the light portion. The dark side seemed a bit...forced? Like you were struggling to get some nice tracks to fit together. The overall concept worked though, did you plan a dark to light theme or did the name come to you after?

I did exactly what denys envy did on the first transition. I heard it and had to rewind because something just seemed off.

Flow throughout the set was consistent, with some nice peaks here and there. Like someone previously stated I think your transitions need to start a bit sooner. Energy really dies down when your incoming track is still in its basic "thud thud thud" stage.

Enjoyed it, looking forward to the next.


Posted by woscar on Dec-09-2008 01:54:

quote:
Originally posted by cmay119
Oscar, first of all let me say that this was technically leaps and bounds above your 'Tones' mix. You've come a long way since that mix, in terms of mixing capability and flow. I really, really enjoyed this. The deep and techy sounds at the beginning, set a very good tone for the rest of the mix. The gradual pick up in pace throughout this was very subtle and made for a great climactic bring in of 'Flamenco Loco' which I feel is the crescendo of the mix. 'BSOD - Last Life' was a good choice for the outro track.

I'm very impressed by overall gains you've made since July. It's quite remarkable actually.

Bravo mate. Keep up the great work, many more listens to come from me.


Thanks for the review Chris, It feels very nice to hear this kind of comments because it means that I'm doing something right and that the hard work, the effort, and the time I've been putting into this is paying off and I'm one step closer to getting to where I want to get skill-wise.

quote:
Originally posted by Sushipunk
Fucking wicked! Rich, flowing prog, and I absolutely loved it man.

2+ hours next time please! Despite it's decent length, I still thought it ended too soon!

Great work


Thanks Stu, very glad you enjoyed it that much. And once again, thank you very much for the proper hosting

quote:
Originally posted by Jasperovitsj
I just finished listening to the mix, although I must say I played it from my laptop, so sound quality wasn't all that. So I can't really comment on the smallest mixing and eq-ing details yet, but as soon as I've given it a proper headphone listen I'll try to do that as well.

I must say that the set was f*cking awesome in terms of buildup and consistency! All tracks fitted very well within the general theme of the mix, and you programmed them excellently in a way that energy levels gradually and naturally rise with each track, without going over the top. Very well done. The trackselection itself was mint too, a great mix between recent and not so recent work, all in function of the end result, which is pretty solid and consistent. There's a few different moods throughout the mix, yet every track has more or less the same underlying "vibe". I can tell you put a lot of effort in selecting and programming, something I can really appreciate in a dj

The mixing itself sounded pretty good, I couldn't detect any large errors or hiccups in terms of beatmatching and phasematching. I must agree with Denys though, that sometimes the transitions could have started a bit earlier to keep the pace of the mix even faster and tighter. Not that they're boring or draining the set of its energy, but I think you could achieve really great transitions if you start mixing just a tad earlier. For example, the transition between Elif and Freiflug. I'm not sure, but I think that if you could match that saxophone melody with the first melody line of Freiflug (that comes in at around 17'OO"), you get an awesome result.


Thanks man, really looking forward to reading your comments about the eq-ing and the mixing. That's the stuff that I need right now to progress skill-wise.

You have no idea how pleased I am at the fact that my track selection and flow have been getting such compliments. I think that one of the major lessons I learned from 'Tones' was to keep a consistent flow while being much more diverse on my selections. I think there was only one comment regarding that aspect, but it really made me think and I'm glad I took the advice

I will definitely look into the "mixing earlier" tips I've been getting. I listened to Denys' mix in the car on the way to my girlfriend's house and I was REALLY able to see (or hear, actually lol) what he meant. I notice that he is able to match the incoming melody of the incoming track after the intro at just the right time before the outgoing track goes "thud thud thud" (in Alex's words )

quote:
Originally posted by enydo
Great set man, really sounds like a step up from Tones so the improvement is definitely there.

I thought the flow was awesome. Started with a more deep / techy feel and slowly worked your way to the proggy section, all the while maintaining that nice house groove. Mixing was pretty good from what I could tell, nothing really stuck out or sounded forced, but I do suppose you could start mixing out sooner (I really need to work on that too).

The prog section had me a bit worried because I usually am turned off by most prog coming out these days, but I really enjoyed what you did here. A couple of the tracks near the end had some nice synth lines and I actually really enjoyed what I heard. Again nice work, keep at it.


Oh and that artwork is sick.



Thanks for listening mate, much appreciated

Yeah, you really have to dig to find nice prog these days. Seems that everyone is producing tech house or techno these days, which I do enjoy but I do miss the soulful prog of the old days. Check out some of Sam's and Chris's mixes (kadomony and cmay119), they are filled with nice new prog house that I think you will enjoy

quote:
Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs
In a post you said you were using a mouse and a keyboard, for what? DVS, Ableton?

Enjoyed the dark side better because of my personal musical tastes, but I feel you excelled in the light portion. The dark side seemed a bit...forced? Like you were struggling to get some nice tracks to fit together. The overall concept worked though, did you plan a dark to light theme or did the name come to you after?

I did exactly what denys envy did on the first transition. I heard it and had to rewind because something just seemed off.

Flow throughout the set was consistent, with some nice peaks here and there. Like someone previously stated I think your transitions need to start a bit sooner. Energy really dies down when your incoming track is still in its basic "thud thud thud" stage.

Enjoyed it, looking forward to the next.


Thanks for listening Alex, I think this strays a bit from what you usually listen to judging by your own mixes, and I'm glad you were able to enjoy it. One of the things I tried with this one was to try to appeal to a much broader audience by bringing more variety to the track selection

I've been using Traktor to make my mixes, I took a shot at an Ableton demo a while back but I couldn't really get into it. I really like the layout and feel of Traktor and feel very comfortable using it.

Regarding the transition into "The Case", I tried several different ways to mixing it but none of them sounded just right. I really like the way the two tracks sound one after the other and the only way I found to mix them without having the vocals of "The Case" clash with the outro of "Eleven" was that way.

Once again, thanks to all for taking the time to listen to this and commenting on it.


Posted by andyN203 on Dec-09-2008 03:10:

Hey Oscar, just finshed listening to your mix this morning and I really enjoyed it. What I really enjoyed was the first 30 minutes of your mix. It showed the diversity of tracks that you had, compared to Tones which was basically more Anjunadeep style tracks. I liked the feel of these tracks in particuar becuase they were very loungy and laidback type deep and tech house. Although on the the other hand at the end of the mix you brought in the heavy hitters just like you did in Tones which was brillant. I'm looking foward to more sets bro! Overall , great job!


Posted by woscar on Dec-09-2008 06:15:

Thanks for the listen and the review Andy. Glad to see you enjoyed it and that you noticed the change in pace and the diversity of the track selection compared to 'Tones'. Like I said before, that was one of the main things I tried to achieve with this mix.

And by the way, the link for the split tracks version is up on the first post.


Posted by Mr Game+Watch on Dec-09-2008 14:24:

Just started listening to this, will have a review later... t/l looks hot and I expect good things from this.


Posted by kadomony on Dec-09-2008 19:35:

This was a nice set, although a bit techy for my tastes at the moment.
I really liked:
03. Marc Romboy - Elif (Will Saul & Tam Cooper Remix) [Systematic]
05. Will Saul & Tam Cooper - Tech Noir (Phonique Remix) [Simple
08. Foremost Poets - Moonraker (Magik J's Back To My House Remix) [NRK]
09. Paul Keeley - Paper Jet (Original Mix) [Anjunadeep]
10. Jay Kay - Twist (Original Mix) [Whoop!]
11. My Digital Enemy - Flamenco Loco [MDE Records]
12. Orli & Martie - Sheila (Novy & Bahil Remix) [Kosmo Records]
13. BSOD - Last Life [Xfer Recordings]

So yea, I liked the set

more review l8r


Posted by woscar on Dec-10-2008 01:33:

quote:
Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs
The overall concept worked though, did you plan a dark to light theme or did the name come to you after?


Actually, I did plan to start with the deeper, techier stuff and move into the more progressive, lighter stuff. But I hadn't come up with a name for the mix just yet. It all came together when I found the artwork


quote:
Originally posted by kadomony
This was a nice set, although a bit techy for my tastes at the moment.
I really liked:
03. Marc Romboy - Elif (Will Saul & Tam Cooper Remix) [Systematic]
05. Will Saul & Tam Cooper - Tech Noir (Phonique Remix) [Simple
08. Foremost Poets - Moonraker (Magik J's Back To My House Remix) [NRK]
09. Paul Keeley - Paper Jet (Original Mix) [Anjunadeep]
10. Jay Kay - Twist (Original Mix) [Whoop!]
11. My Digital Enemy - Flamenco Loco [MDE Records]
12. Orli & Martie - Sheila (Novy & Bahil Remix) [Kosmo Records]
13. BSOD - Last Life [Xfer Recordings]

So yea, I liked the set

more review l8r


Thanks for the listen, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I see that you liked the second half better than the first, I think it does fit your own style better. As for me, well I think I'm getting more and more into the first half kind of stuff lately. Certainly love the depth. Looking forward to hearing your extended review


Posted by SBK on Dec-10-2008 06:05:

Hi Woscar

Finally I got a chance to listen to this

From the technical side of things, like someone else said your mixes are sometimes too late . Beatmatching was ok overall

Going to track selection beacause thats whats important. First half is that kind of techy deep house like a lot of djs plays these days so if youre going to go this road youre not gonna stand out from the crowd in my opinion. Second half is more proggy melodic house. I like that kind of house better but that part consits too many well known tracks, my advice would be to dig deeper in finding your music. Summing up set is good but not a stuff that I would return to more than twice

PS. Actually I was hoping you would go in the direction of house with some funky "discoish" elements, but if you feel better in this techy/deep house thats fine, most important thing is to play what you like

All the best to you.
Cheers
Seb


Posted by bamski on Dec-10-2008 06:51:

All I can say is that I loved it just as much as everything else you've mixed, not more, but certainly not less.
I wasn't that much into the beginning, but it just kept getting better and better by the minute.

And then it ended

Definitely a keeper, next time make it 4hrs... or 8!



Oh, and thanks for the headz up


Posted by woscar on Dec-10-2008 18:36:

quote:
Originally posted by SBK
Hi Woscar

Finally I got a chance to listen to this

From the technical side of things, like someone else said your mixes are sometimes too late . Beatmatching was ok overall

Going to track selection beacause thats whats important. First half is that kind of techy deep house like a lot of djs plays these days so if youre going to go this road youre not gonna stand out from the crowd in my opinion. Second half is more proggy melodic house. I like that kind of house better but that part consits too many well known tracks, my advice would be to dig deeper in finding your music. Summing up set is good but not a stuff that I would return to more than twice

PS. Actually I was hoping you would go in the direction of house with some funky "discoish" elements, but if you feel better in this techy/deep house thats fine, most important thing is to play what you like

All the best to you.
Cheers

Seb


Thanks for the review SebQ

I guess the biggest lesson I can take from this mix is the 'mixing out earlier' thing. I've been really looking into that and have tried mixing a few portions of 'Dark Light' that way and the results have been excellent! For example, I tried to mix out from 'Elif' into 'Freiflug' in the way Jasperovitsj suggested and holy shit was he right! It sounds so much better and professional. I will get more into details later, but for now I really can't thank the people who gave me this advice enough, specially Denys

Well, regarding the track selection I'm just playing stuff I like. I like to think that my tastes in EDM are quite diverse and I think that is exactly what this mix reflects. I'm not trying to play the latest tracks or the most obscure tracks here, I'm just playing tracks that are, well..."Me", you know?

I have been wanting to make a funky/discoish mix but haven't got around to it just yet. Perhaps in a couple of months.

quote:
Originally posted by DuBam
All I can say is that I loved it just as much as everything else you've mixed, not more, but certainly not less.
I wasn't that much into the beginning, but it just kept getting better and better by the minute.

And then it ended

Definitely a keeper, next time make it 4hrs... or 8!



Oh, and thanks for the headz up


Thanks Bam! You're the second person to say it was too short, lol. You see, I'm just starting out with this whole thing and I thought that nobody would want to listen to 2, 3, or 4 hours of my shit

I try to keep these mixes to just under 80 minutes to keep them CD friendly and keep them accessible to everyone. But I'll keep your comments in mind and might make a longer mix in the future

Thanks for the support, and glad you liked it. Just one question...Why didn't you enjoy the beginning just as much? Is it because the music is not your cup of tea or was there something else?

Cheers!


Posted by kadomony on Dec-10-2008 20:34:

First up, Eleven. Definitely a nice intro tune with melodic percussion and a relaxed spacy feel.
Cool transition into The Case. Sort of a radio switchover, but you know it's part of the mix.
When I first skimmed through the mix, I didn't really like this tune because of the vocals, but it needs to be listened to after the 1st track to be fully appreciated. I kinda like it now. Very trippy and dark.
Sweet mix into the Elif remix, I thought that sax was part of #2 for a second until I realized that was the track coming in. Really like this tune; chunky as well as relaxed. Reminds me of like classic warehouse tunes but would also fit great into a lounge or cafe.
Getting more energetic and melodic now with Freiflug and keeping the darkness.
Cool how at the end of Freiflug it gets brighter (Dark-->Light)
Moving on to Tech Noir. Weird tune, kind of wonky but has enough harmony to not totally fall apart. I'm hearing Gabriel and Dresden style percussion in this.
Of course I like Shur-I-Kan's work
The transition of energy into Yohkoh is amazing. I've always loved these slower, almost psy-style tracks and this is no exception. Spacey tripped out goodness with an awesome bassline! Probably my fav tune of this set. The whole Yohkoh release is hot.
Great mix into Moonraker. This track reminds me of WMC 2005. I forget what other track uses the vocal sample from this but I got a demo set CD in Miami with a track that uses the same sample and it's a techier house tune if I remember.
This is a sick track; I like it!
Now we get to Paul Keeley and you know my feelings, especially on Paper Jet!
Simply beautiful tune, one of my favs this year.
Twist is next, pretty good tune to follow up Paper Jet. Reminds me of Danceteria - Passion.
A bit of a change from the electro stuff I'm familiar with from My Digital Enemy, s'ok.
Sheila is ok, doesn't really go anywhere, a good filler imo. It's not a bad track, though.
Last Life! I like this track a lot, it drops the energy down a lot though from Flamenco Loco, however you had the bridge of Sheila in there so it's not as sharp. A good ending.


Posted by jupiterone on Dec-10-2008 21:54:

ON IT


Posted by PoisonJam19 on Dec-10-2008 23:04:

I am intrigued by this...

Will download when I'm home.


Posted by woscar on Dec-11-2008 18:08:

Thanks guys, hope you enjoy it


Posted by Frenkieee on Dec-11-2008 18:13:

Hey, where'd the 99 go?


Posted by woscar on Dec-11-2008 18:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Frenkieee
Hey, where'd the 99 go?


LOL, just had it removed yesterday


Posted by Mr Game+Watch on Dec-11-2008 19:21:

Nice job, woscar! I took a listen to this the other day at work. I don't know if I can get all detailed and break down track by track, like others have done, but you have definitely improved in terms of set structure since "Tones". There was an obvious progression, from the techy, percussive first half all the way to uplifting, melodic prog at the end, the peak being "Flamenco Loco". There are some parts where the beatmatching doesn't line up 100%, and you cut tracks out a bit too soon; when it comes to prog, I tend to like transitions that are held for a long time, melodies somewhat overlapping and mixed in-key, like in the Hernan Cattaneo EM for lack of a better explanation. But those are minor complaints, and I understand you were just mixing with a keyboard/mouse and Traktor.

I went ahead and bought "Flamenco Loco" after rewinding it and listening to it about 20 times straight since I heard it in your mix... definitely my favorite song in the mix, with "Paper Jet" being an obvious second. Wasn't a fan of the vocal sample in "Moonraker", always thought it was a bit cheese, Shur-I-Kan is definitely a producer who will be one to watch in the future, really getting into his sound lately.


Posted by woscar on Dec-11-2008 23:06:

Thanks for the listen

I'm already working on improving the "mixing out late" issue. I've tried some of the transitions again following the suggestions on this thread and the results have been wonderful! I only wish I had this advice sooner, lol.

Yeah, "Flamenco Loco" is a banger, I heard it on a Tom Morgan set a while back and I had to include it on a mix. That was one of the first tracks I bought for this mix

Glad you enjoyed it!


Posted by cmay119 on Dec-12-2008 03:57:

quote:
Originally posted by woscar
LOL, just had it removed yesterday


Hmmm... Handle circumcision, eh? Was it a health choice, or a cosmetic thing?


Posted by wotyzoid on Dec-12-2008 04:24:

will check it out, man.


Posted by Teezdalien on Dec-12-2008 05:47:

Nicely presented Oscar. Cheers for sharing this. Grabbin now and I'll bump with some feedback.


Posted by woscar on Dec-12-2008 19:00:

quote:
Originally posted by cmay119
Hmmm... Handle circumcision, eh? Was it a health choice, or a cosmetic thing?


Having numbers after your username is gay

OMGSICKBUUUUURN!!!!!!!

So I'm guessing, health?

quote:
Originally posted by wotyzoid
will check it out, man.


Thanks Kenny, I hope you like it

quote:
Originally posted by Teezdalien
Nicely presented Oscar. Cheers for sharing this. Grabbin now and I'll bump with some feedback.


Thanks mate, looking forward to hearing your comments


Posted by wotyzoid on Dec-12-2008 19:04:

quote:
Originally posted by woscar
Having numbers after your username is gay

OMGSICKBUUUUURN!!!!!!!


so you went back in the closet, huh?

OMGDOODZSICKERZZBUUUUUURRNN!!11


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