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Originally posted by Special K so is everyone else that lives in germany as opposed to those countries?

hahaha ouch

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Originally posted by plaxx On a much related note, everyone must watch Religulous. Wake the fuck up.

Funny you mention that movie.... I've been working on DLing that torrent for the last couple of days... more seeders please!

My point of view has always been the same... there are those fanatics, extremists and ultra-orthodox that take every word way too seriously, IN ALL RELIGIONS. Those are the bad apples, those are the ones that cause racism and prejudice on the rest of them who are just like you an me, modern people of society...secular if you will.

If people make fun of the extremists, that's fair game. What's not appropriate is making fun of the average joe of whatever denomination because of the stereotypes the fanatics have portrayed.

ok, I'm done... happy holidays!

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He told the Star in a recent phone interview that his research leads him to believe that the three great monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam have mythical origins.

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Originally posted by plaxx Be that as it may, I enjoyed it.

lol if ur gonna concede that easily, then i suppose u would happily stick your tail between ur legs and retract ur comment re: "waking the fuck up"

There are more then 70 divisions in Islam not 2. Religion is a good thing but it is man that changes it to serve his desires.

I believe everyone should read up on anything they wanna know more about before they can give a point of view on it. Getting bits and pieces from the media or from what he said she said is a wrong way to shape your own views about someone elses religion.

Religion should be within every body its something personal between you and god and noone else.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew no waaaaai you're soooooo off the line man the greatest mockumentary of the year!

+1
thoroughly enjoyed this, deffinatly worth checking out.
its up on nijavideo now as well

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Originally posted by thesauce23 not really, think about it.. Christianity has so many divisions, they are separate from muslims who have 2 divisions i think.

Incorrect. Sufism could count as another 'major' branch. As well, there are many 'schools of thought' on how to interpret the Quran which is kind of like Protestant denominations. (Izmailism, Hanafi, Wahhabism, etc)

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then they all are different from jews..

even Judaism has different schools of thought

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it keeps going.. all in all- we are one.. we are all human.. to divide is just fuckin stupid. everyone just keeps thinking they are different and it creates so many problems.. totally unnecessary

because people are different, in that humanity allows for different ways of thinking. how to life. have different sets of morals, etc.
while one should never forget that we are all humans, and part of the humanity family, i'd never expect everyone to be same as me. that'd be just weird

there is nothing wrong with religion. at it's core concept, it's just a guide of how people should live. just like philosophy.

but it's always those that seeks to use religion for own purposes that creates problems.

for example. muslim fundamentalists and their concept of 'jihad'. specifically, Al Qaeda (feel free to correct me, dear muslim friends)

the word jihad means some sort of personal struggle within one self to become a better muslim, or a true holy war in defence of islam, which you need to be a Koranic authority (ie scholars (ulema), clerics, etc of reputation) AQ is not made out of religious scholars or clerics.

then there are rules, even if a true jihad is called in Koran
-you cannot attack and kill who have offered no offence or harm you
-you cannot kill women and children
-you cannot take hostages and mistreat torture or kill prisoners
and the fact that these terrorists killed more muslims than the 'infidels' is another thing

(all taken from a book. i'm not that smrt)

I bet you there are many people who look at AQ/Taliban and other muslim extremists and that's the only example of 'Islam' they see and assume that all muslims are like the extremists.

But it is important to separate the acts of the followers of the religion and what the religion specifically, esp when the followers do acts that are against what the religion says.

even the most 'peaceful' religions such as Buddhism has history of persecution (Central Asia around 15th century) soit is important to distinguish between the religion and the followers.

there are many wisdom that can be found in religion. i would not dismiss it so easily

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Originally posted by DarV Religion should be within every body its something personal between you and god and noone else.

best post of all thread

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Originally posted by fayraree lol if ur gonna concede that easily, then i suppose u would happily stick your tail between ur legs and retract ur comment re: "waking the fuck up"

Or i just don't want to get in a useless 10 page argument on the internet.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew no waaaaai you're soooooo off the line man the greatest mockumentary of the year!

I'm glad you enjoyed a movie by a wannabe intellect who's movie is targeted toward similar individuals

If I want an intelligent and thorough outlook on the topic I'd refer to some real experts in the field--you know, people who are actually prominent and respected scientists in the academic world--for instance, Profs Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, not some fucking wannabe intellect who nobody knows.

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Originally posted by Yohan

you are absolutely right in ur post. however when i was talking about people(religion) dividing themselves, it was moreover talking about the title(muslim, jew, etc).. we look at each other as those titles instead of just human beings.. thats the separation i was talkin about.

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Originally posted by plaxx Or i just don't want to get in a useless 10 page argument on the internet.

woah ur so mature, man!

*yawn*

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Originally posted by geroin respect but yeah he will probably get shot for that

+1.

Take that organised religion!

Although I would have liked to hear more about his evidence and scientific methods, I pretty much know what he'd elaborate on anyway.

I specifically love this line..."He found that traditional theological positions soon collapse once hard evidence is sought" near the bottom. Well...really? You think? No evidence eh? By golly, I never would have thought that!

Of course there is no evidence. "Mythical origins" is simply a nice way of saying "made up fairy tale". I never bought this crap even when my mom tried to push it on me since the age of 5 or 6. It's too bad that I will be long dead before humanity sheds religion and finally get our act together.

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From many theists' points of view, it is their DUTY to defend the concept of belief in their faith without question. So when somebody "rocks the boat" and says a damning thing regarding their religion, they feel they are under attack (oh noes, people might be influenced by a scholar who tells them to question everything!) In all seriousness, if you are a person of faith, then you SHOULD be afraid of ideas that are corrosive to your faith. It's perfectly understandable. Scientific arguments could convince people to abandon their faith, which could cost many lives. It is not so farfetched to think that one scholar's life might be less important than the lives of all those people who might be turned away from their chance at heaven and everlasting happiness.

Of course, I'm not ADVOCATING extremism; I'm just arguing that extremism really is at the fundamental core of most mainstream religious beliefs. If the non-extreme believers are truly believers, then NOT trying to spread the gospel and fight against scientific reasoning is akin to leaving people in a burning building. For example, if you are Christian and you honestly believe that I'm going to spend eternity in hell for not accepting Christ as my saviour, then why aren't you trying to save me? Either you don't actually believe in your faith, or you're a douchebag who is too lazy to help those who are clearly in need.

A highly recommended and hilarious talk is the following; I promise it's not nearly as mind-numbing as Religulous:

Religion is a tool to control people, hello, wake up, it's not a conspiracy theory.

Don't be afread of the truth.

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