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You guys definitely need to do your own research and open your eyes to the real situation there... like hardcore trancer said.

The Israeli government is the puppeteer of the war. Palestinians don't want anything but to be left alone and not be occupied! you know their occupied right?

Watch occupation 101 (posted earlier) then come back and chat.

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Originally posted by Anas Attia The Israeli government is the puppeteer of the war. Palestinians don't want anything but to be left alone and not be occupied! you know their occupied right?

I'm sure avg Palestinians just want to be left alone.

The Hamas, however, seems to have other ideas. (like, destruction of Israel for example)

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Originally posted by Yohan I'm sure avg Palestinians just want to be left alone. The Hamas, however, seems to have other ideas. (like, destruction of Israel for example)

watch occupation 101 bro, take the step lol

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Originally posted by Anas Attia The Israeli government is the puppeteer of the war.

Really? Israel has been under attack and threat by all its surrounding neighbors for over 50 yrs.

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Palestinians don't want anything but to be left alone and not be occupied! you know their occupied right?

And Israeli's want nothing but peace for the past 50 yrs. Where's the muslim peace movement? Nowhere. Cuz militants would kill them if they even thought about it.

Israel is trying to be as specific as possible with their attacks on known Hamas bases. They warn civilians beforehand, to limit casualties. This has ALWAYS been their policy, and I dont think you'll find many other militaries in the world who would offer that same courtesy in their attacks. Do casualties happen? Unfortunately yes. Palestinian authorities are reporting that majority of the people who have died in these recent attacks ARE Hamas members. Hamas sends in hundreds of rockets at civilian locations, with no warnings, they are out to kill as many innocents as possible. Do you really think Israeli's should sit there and take that?

Hypothetically speaking, say you had your way and Israel was given back and Palestinian rule was created, do you think they would let the millions of Israeli's there live in peace, side by side? No. They'd try and drive them all out, or try and kill every last one of them, just because. And then they'd go throw candy in the streets, like they always do when they kill a Jew. Then they would go and destroy every last Jewish cemetary, sacred sight, historical landmark, and wipe out thousands of years of Jewish history, because that's what they've done in the past when given the opportunity. (Remind you of anything?) Israeli civilians NEVER rejoice when a Palestinian is killed, militant or civilian, no candy is thrown in the streets, they dont raise their children to hate them and fill their heads with propoganda, and they certainly dont go destroying Muslim holy sites. So unless you have a better plan, tell me why this forseeable future is something Israel would even consider. Until the Palestinians say 'enough is enough, we dont want these militant groups putting us in danger like this', and move forward with a political peace process and not a militant one, there will never be a positive outcome for them.

Anas Attia & Naveed, just wondering- what are your thoughts on suicide bombers? I'd really like to hear your opinions.

And how come Israeli supporters can come on here and say 'how unfortunate it is that casualites occur, we want peace, both sides are making mistakes', etc... But NOT ONCE have I ever seen you post any accountability for the poor choices Hamas might be making, by putting their own people in danger by provoking these attacks, not once do you ever state that what the Palestinian side is doing isn't working, not once do you speak of peace as an option. Its just loads of pointing the finger and bad mouthing. See a similarity to anything I'm talking about? Where is your desire for peace? Where is the ownership of mistakes being made on your side?

Tatgirl, you are brainwashed by the media, I'm not trying to be a jerk but please do some research and reasoning first... the type that doesn't come from American/Israeli TV stations, newspapers and radio stations. I urge you to use critical thinking and just watch the movie I suggested. you have to do some of your own research before making allegations like that.

The core of the problem is not what you expect. I have researched this issue since I started university, I'm majoring in business and doing my second major in neurology... I'm just trying to prove that I'm not talking out of my ass there's some logic behind this

I have spent endless hours studying the issue. I can point you to many Independent sources of information that will prove my point of view, but you will not find any to support yours other than the media sources stated above.

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Originally posted by Anas Attia its a one sided war man.

i agree with you..but i have learned a long time ago to not even debate this subject..the truth is...most people get their information from cnn and other media outlets like it.....in order to understand what is going on..you have to take the initiative and spend the time to learn from alternative sources...people shouldn't always believe what they are fed...

oops..i posted this before i read your post above mine..

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Originally posted by tatgirl Anas Attia & Naveed, just wondering- what are your thoughts on suicide bombers? I'd really like to hear your opinions. And how come Israeli supporters can come on here and say 'how unfortunate it is that casualites occur, we want peace, both sides are making mistakes', etc... But NOT ONCE have I ever seen you post any accountability for the poor choices Hamas might be making, by putting their own people in danger by provoking these attacks, not once do you ever state that what the Palestinian side is doing isn't working, not once do you speak of peace as an option. Its just loads of pointing the finger and bad mouthing. See a similarity to anything I'm talking about? Where is your desire for peace? Where is the ownership of mistakes being made on your side?

Suicide bombers are just weak minded people that have been brainwashed. Hamas is forced to make these poor choices in order to keep Palestine on its feet and still have control of the area. If Hamas didn't retaliate then Israel would easily take over the Palestenian soil and drive its people out of their own lands without any merci.

Also, Israel doesn't seem to be doing a good job to push towards peace. At least not by building a wall all across the border, taking over extra Palestinian land and restricting its people of many natural resources.

Its Ironic that the once Berlin wall represented terror and oppression and people were happy to see it go down, including many jews. Now Israel is almost done building a wall bigger than the Berlin Wall, which they call a "security wall" but to me it sounds more like an abomination of peace....

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Originally posted by �Zm�zis Also, Israel doesn't seem to be doing a good job to push towards peace. At least not by building a wall all across the border, taking over extra Palestinian land and restricting its people of many natural resources. Its Ironic that the once Berlin wall represented terror and oppression and people were happy to see it go down, including many jews. Now Israel is almost done building a wall bigger than the Berlin Wall, which they call a "security wall" but to me it sounds more like an abomination of peace....

this is what he's talking about :

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Originally posted by Anas Attia watch occupation 101 bro, take the step lol

so far i've watched about 16mins of it, and it is IMO a sensationalist 'documentary' with no sense of objectivity at all. about same quality as one of Michael Moore's works. (meaning, shows fact, but screws and slants in such way that viewers get kerfuffled)

i will watch the rest in a bit. i hope it gets better

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Originally posted by Yohan so far i've watched about 16mins of it, and it is IMO a sensationalist 'documentary' with no sense of objectivity at all. about same quality as one of Michael Moore's works. (meaning, shows fact, but screws and slants in such way that viewers get kerfuffled) i will watch the rest in a bit. i hope it gets better

yea yea save the review till the end ha ha

and if you feel like seeing the whole picture..
http://www.sprword.com/mustwatch

I understand Hamas' frustration, as well as the Israeli one. But I do believe that once Hamas actually does cease fire, Israel will too.

The solution to this conflict is outside of the occupied territory, It starts with getting neighboring Arab leaders of their asses and to start looking out for the people's welfare rather than that of their Swiss bank accounts.

Here is a little short story tied to this conflict:

My girlfriend's family lives in Gaza, their house is far from any Hamas military holdings. 2 days ago, the phone rang, her 13 year old sister answered and a man with a Hebrew accent demanded she tells him the location of a man (i forgot the name) who she never heard off. She told him she did not know that person and that lead to a threat by the person on the other side of the phone. That same night, the family went to spend the night at the grandmother's house. The next morning, the area their house was at was bombed by an air strike, and their house was destroyed.

So much for targeting Hamas...

^Holy shit man thats unreal

Sorry for the loss though

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Originally posted by mdabat Here is a little short story tied to this conflict: My girlfriend's family lives in Gaza, their house is far from any Hamas military holdings. 2 days ago, the phone rang, her 13 year old sister answered and a man with a Hebrew accent demanded she tells him the location of a man (i forgot the name) who she never heard off. She told him she did not know that person and that lead to a threat by the person on the other side of the phone. That same night, the family went to spend the night at the grandmother's house. The next morning, the area their house was at was bombed by an air strike, and their house was destroyed. So much for targeting Hamas...

A friend of a friend told our friend this story, which he then told me about these guys with hebrew accents (which a 13 yr old girl heard, and told her parents, which then told their friend, which then told our mutual friend, who told my friend who told me) that just bombed the shit out of innocent people. Or was it Hamas? or were they looking for payment for a deal they made? I'm not quote sure, but see what happened was there was a bombing, and I think they purposefully destroyed their house, or was it the neighbour's house, or was it a house 3 blocks away that had shady people going through it. I'm not really sure, but basically, isreal is evil and they bomb innocent people because of this story.


Anyway,
my two cents on the conflict: you'd have to be pretty retarded to get brainwashed by either side of the confict. The Muslims in the palestine area think it's a war of religions, and the israelis are getting money and orders from elsewhere. There is no simple solution. Maybe a compromise, but seeing how much brainwashing is going on, I don't know if it's possible.

demolish everything and turn it into a starbucks lol

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Originally posted by Anas Attia Tatgirl, you are brainwashed by the media, I'm not trying to be a jerk but please do some research and reasoning first... the type that doesn't come from American/Israeli TV stations, newspapers and radio stations. I urge you to use critical thinking and just watch the movie I suggested. you have to do some of your own research before making allegations like that. The core of the problem is not what you expect. I have researched this issue since I started university, I'm majoring in business and doing my second major in neurology... I'm just trying to prove that I'm not talking out of my ass there's some logic behind this I have spent endless hours studying the issue. I can point you to many Independent sources of information that will prove my point of view, but you will not find any to support yours other than the media sources stated above.

No offence taken.

So, only the American and Israeli's skewing news reports? They are the only biased ones? Are you kidding???? Do you remember the footage of a Palestinian funeral where, as usual, the body was being carried on a stretcher thru the streets, draped in a flag, blame pointed at Israel for some attack, and the stretcher tipped over, body fell off, and low and behold, he got up and RAN? This was all captured on film.

As I said, I am very sympathetic to the Palestinian people. I would LOVE for their to be a resolution tomorrow, as would many Israelis. But Israel is calling for peace, and the other sides are calling for destrucion. Its not going to go far with that balance. I haven't watched your movie because I haven't had time, but I will later today.

Again, you avoided my initial questions as to why you dont admit any wrongdoing or accountability on Hamas's part, or answer why you dont offer solutions rather than point fingers. What do YOU think is the solution? You've 'researched' it, so enlighten us with your solution.

Even though both sides are at fault; I'm with the Palestinians on this one.

Try living under occupation day in and day out as the governing force destroys ur people and ur land, and limits ur resources so
that things have to be rationed in order to survive...sound familiar???


And when they try and fight back, OMG they're terrorists.

Re: Israel bombs Gaza...again.

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Originally posted by misterpink Nothing like bombing the shit out of the oppressed while the world is distracted with the Christmas season. Congrats to Israel for sinking to new lows, even if they had to dig to do it. Fucking scumbag of a country.

Bomb the crap out of them....bomb everyone....GO ISRAEL

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Bomb the crap out of them....bomb everyone....GO ISRAEL

bomb everyone? I knew u were a prick but this is low even for u

Even though this is not realistic; taking religion out of the mix would make things a lot more stable

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Originally posted by T_ALI bomb everyone? I knew u were a prick but this is low even for u

everyone means you too

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Originally posted by T_ALI Even though this is not realistic; taking religion out of the mix would make things a lot more stable

if you take religion out of the mix then almost all of these conflicts wouldn't have occurred...heck I would go as far as to say that the world, in general, would be a greater and more pleasant place to live.

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Originally posted by Yohan pps: both sides are wrong in this conflict

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